Inside the Trillion-Dollar Climate Solutions Industry

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-17/inside-the-trillion-dollar-climate-solutions-industry

by mfiguiere • 3 years ago

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Brajeshwar• 3 years ago

Non-paywall version at https://archive.ph/bG9uj

Racing0461• 3 years ago

Now its just a 999,999,999,999 dollar industry.

FirmwareBurner• 3 years ago

Ah, the Nintendo piracy logic.

the__alchemist• 3 years ago

I am evidently a robot.

undersuit• 3 years ago

Excellent, no mention of carbon capture as a subject.

I think we need carbon capture to fix the past problems, but the more we rely on it to fix today's emissions the less we're going to stop burning fossil fuels.

The pods probably talk about carbon capture at times, but it's not a solution presented by the article.

robomartin6• 3 years ago

This is why reason will never prevail in this segment. There’s so much money being made that the truth is dangerous to lots of powerful and very rich people and companies. It’s truly sad to watch without any ability to bring even a sliver of reality into the conversation.

And, of course, some of that money has been wisely invested in brainwashing the population to fall in line and support all the people, companies and politicians getting insanely rich and powerful with this stuff. A small microcosm of proof of this is that any attempt to have a discussion on HN to expose some of this is met with indoctrination-driven violent verbal rejection that is completely devoid of reason.

M1ch4312• 3 years ago

I really want to live in a world where doing what's good for the Earth and the people around you is not only the natural response to a problem, but something that is rewarded in a meaningful way.

Unsung heroes definitely have shaped this world, occupying roles which we will probably never grasp of because how history is practically taught and understood; under the lens of territory and its resulting disputes, changes in leadership or public consciousness, and our academic/practical understanding of the world/technology.

As a world, we should learn about the incredible struggles these people went through to effect change in the climate that they lived in. But we largely do not - because the entire truth is usually inconvenient to those in power, who desperately resist change and the resulting uncertainty, because of all of the potential fallout that comes with increased knowledge of the workings of the world and agency of those they deem below them. Real change is generally only allowed by those in power if it is on their terms and initiative.

There is not a more dire time than today for mounting, as a world, an immediate and potent response to the climate crisis. As a society, no matter your class, no matter where you live, bridging all gaps and divisions. We need to be talking about it; we need to relentlessly speak publicly about manifesting real change and giving power and agency to those who are not greedy, who are not bloodthirsty, to those who deserve it, to people that are actual experts and students of the world - who never abuse their authority and belittle their fellow man, because the focus of their leadership should not be on currency or control, but true, democratically decided-purpose and their role as leaders to provide informed support and passion to the people around them.

We need to collectively envision a fair, exciting economy (and economy of scale) that works for the world and our individual communities. Life should be stimulating now - we shouldn't work as hard or long, we should work to serve the people we touch and to reap every bit of the value that we create ethically and morally. Sustainable and ethical travel should be accessible to everybody - let us celebrate the world around us freely. And through our travels, improve and enrich the world that surrounds us. End the rat race, the race to the bottom or top, the race to the end of civilization, and begin rejoicing that we are post-scarcity, that we are at peace, that we have an understanding of the greatness that we can achieve like never before.

I want and we deserve a constant news cycle where we talk about how we're planning/implementing incredible feats, witnessing and celebrating cooperation that is unlike anything we've ever seen, efforts like solving the energy crisis by effectively allocating resources and utilizing the earth and sun and everything in between better and more intelligently than ever for our collective benefit.

robomartin6• 3 years ago

There is not a more dire time than today for mounting, as a world, an immediate and potent response to the climate crisis.

I am sorry. And, with respect, because I know just how difficult it is to escape the tight grip of this sort of thing. What you are saying demonstrates the depths of indoctrination that has been achieved in this matter.

They have people running scared for no reason at all.

This is not a dire time.

Nothing is going to happen.

It isn't the end of the world.

It isn't the end of humanity.

And, no, there is absolutely nothing --not one thing-- we can do to slow down, stop or reverse planetary scale atmospheric CO2 levels. The very idea is beyond laughable.

There are so many ways to show just how ridiculous this is. Ways that don't require advanced scientific knowledge at all to comprehend. Yet, just like indoctrination can make a person commit utterly irrational acts of violence, in this case, it has created millions of people living in a mental fantasy of ridiculous proportions.

In short, what you believe is not true. It is a fantasy.

Rather than ending my comment at that statement, I'll offer you the simplest possible tool for thought. Maybe this gets you started down a different path that might help shake loose from these beliefs. I don't know. Indoctrination is a powerful force. They are using it to make billions of dollars and will not let up, because it works very well.

Have a look at this picture. It shows annual CO2 contribution per country.

https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/styles/original/p...

The first thing to understand is that zero CO2 emissions is impossible. At a minimum, every person on this planet emits somewhere around 1 kg of CO2 per day. Yet, that's not the limiting factor. A massive amount of CO2, way beyond that, is emitted every day in other ways, all natural. Not to go too far, natural forest fires dwarf the emissions of some industrial sources.

Zero carbon is a fantasy.

Solar panels won't do it. Wind farms won't do it. Electric vehicles won't do it. Etc.

Yet, let's go ahead and indulge in a fantasy. Let's assume that the US and China get down to zero CO2 annual emissions. Nothing.

How?

Captain Jean Luc Piccard beams everything in both countries into the dark of space. The US and China cease to exist. No people, buildings, animals, plants, nothing. The become sand deserts (or whatever emits zero CO2).

What happens then?

Well, you have eliminated 13% (US) and 31% (China) annual global CO2 contribution. A total of 44%.

That means that the rest of the world still emits 56%.

Which means that, not only will atmospheric CO2 concentration not stop, it will not reverse --ever.

When someone presents you with any "save the world" idea, the first question should be: "How is that better than erasing the US and China from the planet?".

The honest answer should be: Not even close.

Which means the so-called solution is nothing more than a fantasy. It will do nothing more than enrich a bunch of people and do absolutely nothing for the environment.

Does this mean we don't switch to clean energy and electric cars?

No, of course not. These are good ideas and commendable objectives. Let's stop lying about this whole climate change and "save the planet" business though. Cleaning up our act is a good idea because cleaner cities and a more energy-efficient society are good ideas. These things will do nothing to save even a continent, much less the entire planet. Save from what? Nothing. The planet has no issues at all.

There's more, but I'll stop there. Most people will not even bother to consider that what they believe are fantasies promoted using billions of dollars and a network of cooperating entities with aligned interests. They ring the bell, and the masses salivate. And they are really good at making this happen.

Inside the Trillion-Dollar Climate Solutions Industry

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