Executives Of Swedish Start-Up Klarna Arrested For Kidnapping And Rape

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by bluemoon • 14 years ago

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4th_paradigm• 14 years ago

techcrunch had to change their headline from 'kidnapping and rape' to molestation (their original story was based on 3 sentences from nypost)

i guess that's what you get when 'gadget editors' become crime reporters.

tvon• 14 years ago

That lines up with their apparent reporting standards over the past few years, the subject matter doesn't change anything.

parfe3• 14 years ago

If this story continues to get coverage revel in comments you will see such as "But when did she say No?" And "How were they supposed to know if she never told them to stop?"

When a woman has to say "No" or "Stop" you already crossed a line. Our society taints sexual interactions with the idea that a woman consents to everything by default and she must say "No" to withdraw consent. A sexual encounter is not a time where it is better to ask forgiveness than permission.

DevX101• 14 years ago

I hesitate to reply b/c none of this is tech related, but you're completely wrong.

You don't ask for permission for every move you make while with a woman. If you're moving a bit too fast for her and she says so, then cool, fall back. But just about every woman I know would be turned off by a guy that asked permission to kiss, to touch, and...well you get the idea.

parfe3• 14 years ago

But just about every woman I know would be turned off by a guy that asked permission to kiss, to touch, and...well you get the idea.

Surely that's what these fine gentlemen believed all the way through booking. Guess they were wrong. If you touch a woman in a way she did not want to be touched you don't get to run Undo on your molestation.

You seem confused about consent. How a consenting handshake works: 1) You offer your hand. 2a) Other person consents by grasping it and shaking. 2b) Other person declines by not engaging your hand.

How consenting kiss works: 1) You lean in and pucker up. 2a) Other person consents by closing part of the distance in the same manner. 2b) Other person declines by not closing the distance (At which point you should stop and evaluate your position on this situation).

How molesting works: 1) You stick your hand in a woman's pants. Just because she engaged you with a kiss does not mean she consents to any more! Any implied consent in your head is merely for your own expedience. If asking permission is enough to end an encounter then you don't have consent!

How consenting contact works: 1) She gives enthusiastic consent 2) You touch her within the new boundary.

Executives Of Swedish Start-Up Klarna Arrested For Kidnapping And Rape

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