Ask HN: How to find sources of RF interference?

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by voakbasda • 3 years ago

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At one of the stores that my family shops, cell service is virtually impossible to receive. If you walk a block in almost any direction, service is fine. Thus, it seems someone in the area is either intentionally or accidentally operating a device that seriously interferes with cell and probably other services.

How can I track this down without spending a fortune? Can I file a complaint with the FCC without gathering more evidence? What are your own experiences with intentional/accidental signal jamming?

starbase• 3 years ago

Is the building a faraday cage?

Have you tried disabling 5G/LTE/etc one at a time, and if so do you get signal on a different band?

voakbasda• 3 years ago

It’s not the building. The interference occurs outside in the parking lot as well.

mindcrime• 3 years ago

It's not conceptually that difficult a task, but the devil is in the details. I'd encourage you to find a local ham radio club or maybe a makerspace that has some RF-oriented folks, and see if some of the members there are willing to help.

But loosely speaking:

1. You need a spectrum analyzer. It doesn't have to be a real lab quality, bench spectrum analyzer, but you need something that can measure power vs frequency.

2. You could possibly get by with an RTL-SDR dongle and the right software.

3. Given something that can do the measurement in question, look up the frequency band(s) used for cell transmissions. Go outside somewhere in your area, where cell phones work fine, and measure the power spectrum around that frequency band. Figure out what the normal range(s) are.

4. Go to the store in question and repeat the process.

5. Note any frequencies where there is a large delta between what you measured outside and what you measure inside. If such a thing is present, there's a good chance that that is the source of the problem. It's not a guarantee, and there are other possible explanations, but finding a big spike of energy in the same range that phones operate on would be highly suggestive.

6. IF (5) turns up something, finding the source involves something called "radio direction finding" which is another big can of worms. Again, a ham club or something similar would VERY likely have members who are experienced doing this sort of thing and who would probably be willing to help. But if you can't find any help, search the HN archives for "radio direction finding"[1] and similar terms. This has come up before and there have been some good discussion with lots of pointers to useful resources.

There's a bit of interesting stuff in this post:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28054017

and some more here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27857290

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

jacknobody• 3 years ago

I like mindcrime's suggestions.

I suggest that you also try an AM transistor radio to see whether the noise is present at low frequencies.

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