Ask HN: Is GPT-4 smarter than you?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35160752

by saberd • 3 years ago

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People are talking about if it's close to AGI or not, but this is a more direct and simple question.

smoldesu• 3 years ago

No. I can outperform any state-of-the-art model as long as I'm given the same liberty researchers have, to choose which categories I'm judged in and how I'm judged. If the situation is particularly dire, I can also do a little dance to convince a human judge that I am sentient - GPT-4 cannot, to my knowledge.

neom• 3 years ago

Smarter, sure... it can process massive amounts of information considerably faster than I can. Intelligent, I don't think so... I can pull together a new and fresh idea by observing the shadow of a bird flying across the nights sky, I can be inspired to rally a team from the beautify of the patterns in rain on my car window driving to work. LLMs are smarter than me, but I still think I'm more intelligent than them. Not really what you asked, just a thought. :)

dougmwne2• 3 years ago

GPT 3.5 was certainly not, even though it knew a great many facts, it was like a 12 year old child with a search engine.

GPT-4 feels like an adult of average intelligence, again with a search engine. But it’s fast and it never gets tired or cranky.

I suspect the next iteration of these models will be obviously and conclusively smarter than I am, and probably most other people as well.

Since the training data is human, it stands to reason that the maximum intelligence that can be achieved by this approach is no more than say the most intelligent 1% or .1% of humans. There would need to be a large enough population of very smart folks to create a large training corpus.

thfuran• 3 years ago

I'm not sure that limit is meaningful. Suppose that there's a system with the approximate reasoning ability of a person, but it doesn't forget things and it has studied every textbook ever written. Would you say that it's only as intelligent as a person?

dougmwne2• 3 years ago

Yes, I am trying to separate out complexity of reasoning from knowledge base and speed. A language model is like a person who has access to Google and several hours or days to research a response. Even a model with poor reasoning, ability can create answers faster than the most intelligent human on the planet, it’s just the nature of computational speed. And a model can be trained on the sum total of every book ever written, and every word ever published to the Internet but that doesn’t make it by itself.

One very key difference I see is that language models can’t create something absolutely novel. They would not have been able to invent calculus if it wasn’t in the training set, while it was possible for a few very smart humans to do such a thing.

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