Statues of ‘old white men’ may need to be destroyed, Welsh government advises

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/11/statues-old-white-men-may-need-destroyed-welsh-government-advises/

by nhchris • 3 years ago

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nhchris• 3 years ago

Unpaywalled: http://archive.is/vGZXG

steponlego• 3 years ago

Wonder what the next step after that is? Nah I’m kidding, I think we all know what’s next.

brindy2• 3 years ago

Please, elaborate.

hellojesus• 3 years ago

Genocide

Blackstrat2• 3 years ago

Wouldn’t it be more effective to identify achievements by non-whites as opposed to eradicating achievements by whites. The former elevates everyone while the latter diminishes everyone. At some point, the world has to recognize that non-whites don’t need paternalistic care.

realjhol2• 3 years ago

Wouldn’t it be more effective to identify achievements by non-whites as opposed to eradicating achievements by whites

If that was their goal, then yes, but given that it isn't, they do this instead.

PKop4• 3 years ago

Effective at what, political dominance? Eh..ressentiment and tearing down, attacking achievements of the strong and dominant while glorifying the weak and oppressed has actually worked extremely well.

Expressions of this sentiment like multiculturalism, mass migration and political correctness of the form of completely denouncing prior empires and dominant civilization is the status-quo order of the day. I think it is more uncertain how this type of worldview is opposed, not whether it is effective.

Blackstrat2• 3 years ago

I’m still fundamentally an optimist. The worldwide cabal of elites is going to be rudely awakened at some point. Just have to be patient.

ashwagary• 3 years ago

Wouldn’t it be more effective to identify achievements by non-whites as opposed to eradicating achievements by whites.

There is an increased push to publicly acknowledge achievements of non-whites. I also dont think the crowd calling for teardowns would be against celebrating the objectively heroic whites that the ruling class spent significant energy to stop society from acknowledging due to the risk of their pro-justice/anti-establishment values being replicated.

realjhol2• 3 years ago

Understand that the revolution absolutely will not stop. It doesn't matter if you think there is a double standard. It doesn't matter if you supported everything they did up until now. It doesn't matter how loudly you complain.

They hate you, and they won't stop until every strand of your heritage is destroyed.

newaccount74• 3 years ago

Good luck. In Austria we have hundreds of streets named after Nazi collaborators, but there's a huge resistance to changing the names. Same when someone wants to remove a statue placed by Nazis.

When commemorative plaques are placed for victims of Nazi violence, they are defaced or destroyed.

There are a lot of people who just don't want to hear that our ancestors weren't all that noble.

musicale• 3 years ago

Major changes are not expected.

proc03• 3 years ago

When everything is about power, even history is a threat. It's sad some people fall for this pessimistic and divisive ideology.

PKop4• 3 years ago

Everything has always been about power to one degree or another. Even living in a comfortable political environment where you don't have to worry about this stuff and can live in peace...first requires power. The key is getting people to think it is bad to play at the same game being played against you. Even freedom itself can be defined as the degree to which one has power or not.

proc03• 3 years ago

To be clear, the power I'm talking about is about controlling people. There can be peace without needing to hold power against other people... unless they are the ones wanting the power. So for example, self-defense is not about power.

Even freedom itself can be defined as the degree to which one has power or not.

That sounds like "power" in ability, as in to do something, which is not the same as the "power" used in Critical Theories and other political ideologies. Freedom is not about power, and is defined in contrast to power. You want freedom from something that is controlling you, or has power over you.

PKop4• 3 years ago

Empire and those old White men who created it for their civilization are good, actually and should be celebrated by their descendants. Everyone alive today is here because someone amongst their ancestors was "aggressive" and expanded as necessary to acquire resources and territory while defeating those that opposed them doing this.

Statues of ‘old white men’ may need to be destroyed, Welsh government advises

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