'Toxic culture' of abuse at mental health hospital: undercover investigation

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63045298

by disabled • 4 years ago

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octokatt• 4 years ago

Controversial take, but how we treat the mentally ill and prisoners is a good health meter for how much abuse is acceptable in a society.

We need to do better than this... Stanford Prison experiment recreation.

badrabbit• 4 years ago

The "we" part if what you said is the tricky part. Society can be different depending on geography (that's why states exist in a way) and it is not possible to be informed on every issue when voting (if at all voting).

In my opinion, if you dig deeper the root cause that applies to america and most other counties is the lack of hostility to the perverters of justice. That is to say, those entrusted with justice either receive some or no punishment when they act in contradiction with their role as enforcers and administrators of justice. In some places a judge, prison warden or police officer who broke the law may not be held accountable and in others may receive the same punishment as anyone else. But in my opinion their punishment should harsher than the harsher punishment a regular person would have recieved. They are not equal to the rest of us because they act on behalf of the government in an official capacity not in their capacity as individuals. Grand juries and prosecutorial discretion should not apply to them, they should be indicted without any due process (the trial is their only due process). So, really, to dig even deeper it is how we see the role of those who have authority over us in the name of justice and peace that is the problem. Their conduct must be beyond reproach. We debate if shooting a person should get a cop fires but really even using a foul language should get them fired or adultery, domestic abuse and other things that reflect on their bad character.

But the who would do these jobs right? Well people should do jobs primarily because of compensation so pay them a crapton of money and so long as they meet countrywide standards of behavior I see no problem in using federal money to subsidize their pay. Carrrot ($$$) and stick (harshest punishments).

Seeing them as heroes out there in the fight against evil is what prevents this from happening. If we instead see them as well paid workers that do their job well because they get well things might change.

P_I_Staker3• 4 years ago

Right now standard mental health care is highly abusive for a substantial percentage of patients.

ie. even if they do everything 100% by the book, they are harming their patients in horrible ways, and depriving them of their civil rights.

P_I_Staker3• 4 years ago

Honestly, not going to read the article. It's very frustrating how mental health patients are treated. Knowing what I know about the system, for you to even have heard about it, and there being an investigation, there has to be some incredibly serious issues.

This is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to doctoral abuse. Just like with police abuse, there is day to day abuse, and sometimes it can be tough to distinguish from normal activity. This is happening constantly and in a varying degree by a huge percentage of doctors (maybe most to all).

It really seems to me that discourse on this subject is being heavily suppressed. The exact reasons aren't clear and may vary. I've seen it on reddit, as well as a bizarre trend of police manipulation which is extreme on the site. It's talked about, but not in serious enough circles, as a existential threat to the platform.

throwhn68365• 4 years ago

I know people that work at both open and closed institutions. These are some of the least trustworthy people I ever encountered.

I don't get it, it obviously seems that little to no vetting/background checking is done

P_I_Staker3• 4 years ago

What's there to get? Who cares? Pretty much no one, and almost all cases will be unenforceable. It's pretty safe to say that for every case caught there's a ton of cases that aren't.

I would be interested to know what kind of shadiness, if you somehow see this... I imagine similar stuff to what you see in nursing homes; pretty messy business there, too.

ThePowerOfFuet• 4 years ago

doctoral abuse

You just triggered a lot of postgraduate students. ;)

'Toxic culture' of abuse at mental health hospital: undercover investigation

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