Hulu blocks ads on abortion, guns, and climate change – and Dems aren’t happy

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/25/23277391/hulu-blocks-democratic-ads-abortion-guns-climate-change-january-6-insurrection

by stalfosknight • 4 years ago

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randrews12• 4 years ago

Perhaps Hulu recognizes that some people just want to watch TV and not be bothered by campaign ads.

Also perhaps I'd be more sympathetic to the Democrats here if exactly this sort of deplatforming hadn't been part of their own playbook for years.

DerpyBaby1234• 4 years ago

exactly this sort of deplatforming hadn't been part of their own playbook for years.

Can you source this, repeated examples of Democratic policies to deplatform ideas?

randrews12• 4 years ago

Absolutely. Gavin Newsom has signed into law a bill to ban ads for firearms. Google and Facebook already ban that as well. If you have no problem with that then why should you have a problem banning ads against guns?

More right-wing personalities than I can even remember have been banned from various media, not least being a sitting President of the United States. The same platforms also have policies against certain "disinformation" that target anyone discussing some issues or events like the Hunter Biden laptop which were later determined not to be disinformation at all. As for it being Democratic policy, there was (briefly) a White House office under a Democratic president to coordinate these policies.

smt885• 4 years ago

I strongly believe in Hulu's right as a private business to decide this.

The key here is that Democrats are outraged at Hulu, but they're not trying to change laws to force Hulu to carry these ads.

That is in contrast to the other side of this debate about deplatforming, which has repeatedly proposed laws that violate the First Amendment because the marketplace of ideas rejects their regressive propaganda.

nathanaldensr2• 4 years ago

You're still playing the red vs. blue game. "Yeah, but my guys are clearly better than your guys," while both teams rip you off at every turn.

nerdjon4• 4 years ago

I really feel like the "why" here should not be that hard.

They likely don't want to carry pro gun or anti-abortion ads and they are making the right choice to say they don't want to carry anti-gun or pro-choice either. Especially considering what Disney is currently doing for their employees to have access to proper medical care and abortions.

I am unclear on the laws regarding political advertising but I have to wonder if they allowed one (pro-choice) they would be in hot water if they blocked the other (anti abortion)?

What do the other platforms do for this case? The article is missing a ton of details here. It said they carried this ad, but do they carry anti-abortion ads?

smt885• 4 years ago

This is a good point for cultural issues, but the refusal to carry pro-environment ads can't be defended that way. There are no "both sides" to the issue.

beardyw• 4 years ago

Whilst I sympathize with your point, if there's no both sides, no one would be advertising.

nerdjon4• 4 years ago

Yeah that one I am a bit more unclear on.

But do republicans run ads trying to say climate change isn't real? Or do they just ignore the topic all together?

I legitimately don't know.

While I agree there shouldn't be 2 sides to this issue, the unfortunate reality is there very much is or we would not be in this mess right now.

kodyo• 4 years ago

If you're trying to convince me of something, I must not be on your side. And even if you think climate change is a thing, there are differing opinions on how to address it, and those obviously have political components to them.

AftHurrahWinch3• 4 years ago

...but what's the rationale behind banning "climate change"?

I checked for more info on this, and it seems like they really did ban the phrase "climate change".

According to Patel, a Hulu representative called his campaign notifying them that the 30-second ad violated an “unwritten Hulu policy” related to “sensitive” content in political ads shortly after it was submitted to the platform on June 30th.
“Hulu demanded we remove footage of Jan. 6 and the word ‘climate change’ from our ad as they were deemed ‘sensitive,’” Patel said on Twitter Wednesday.
To appease Hulu, Patel’s campaign replaced the ad’s mention of “climate change” with “democracy” and replaced footage of the January 6th riots at the Capitol with images of protesters holding QAnon signs. That version of the ad was sent to Hulu on July 1st and approved on July 5th.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/13/23207499/hulu-disney-sura...

In both these articles Hulu repeatedly refuses to comment, which is unfortunate. I'd like to know why they don't want people to say "climate change" in political ads.

nerdjon4• 4 years ago

Wether we like it or not, climate change has turned into a major political issue.

We have a party of science deniers. Wether or not most Americans believe this is different from wether or not an entire party has made it a cornerstone of their policies.

Which again goes back to my original thinking, that they are just blocking it across the board instead of allowing both sides to voice their opinion. Especially if they strongly disagree with that side.

Given the block is just "climate change" I am inclined to think that is the case here.

HWR_143• 4 years ago

I have to wonder if they allowed one (pro-choice) they would be in hot water if they blocked the other (anti abortion)?

I don't believe so, unless they are selling that one below market rates (which makes it an in-kind contribution). I'm guessing this is more about "let's not take a side" than any legal requirement.

nerdjon4• 4 years ago

I vaguely remember there being some laws that if you run political ads you have to give equal air time (if asked) or something like that. I would think if so you could not block one side of a topic but allow another.

Maybe I am completely wrong here but I am trying to search around for an actual answer.

Edit: Based on the wording on this FCC document it sounds like this is the case https://www.fcc.gov/media/policy/political-programming

fritztastic3• 4 years ago

I don't see the big issue with this. Hulu isn't under any obligation to accept any content.

As much as I may agree/disagree with the topics of the campaign ads, I really don't think these (probably) polemic video snippets are as significant as the people pushing them pretend they are.

I think politicians need to stop demanding private companies allow them to say what they want, when they want, how they want. There are plenty of other advertisements that are rejected- companies have discretion over what they choose to accept, as they should.

Ultimately if politicians want to bring a subject to people, they should figure out other ways of doing so. Additionally, I really don't think anyone with or without a stance is going to be swayed by a 30/60/90 second ad. A short ad on a streaming platform also isn't going to bring discussion or encourage real responses from people besides (probably) irritation.

Ultimately regardless of the message contained, Hulu has the say over what content they want to be associated with. Maybe it isn't even about the topics presented, but about the politicians and political campaigns in general.

Personally I would be irritated to see campaign ads, from either duopolist party- I'd rather not watch it as none of them have anything worth saying most of the time. I wish they'd take their campaign money, use it elsewhere, and stop making a big ado about people not wanting to do what they want- that goes for both Democrats and Republicans- acting like there's some kind of persecution happening, while hypocritically at the same time both are doing their very best to stifle anything outside their big tents.

AftHurrahWinch3• 4 years ago

Sure, of course, I would guess that basically everyone agrees with your entirely non-controversial opinion that you don't like seeing advertisements... but why can't they say "climate change"?

You note "Maybe it isn't even about the topics presented, but about the politicians and political campaigns in general.", which could hypothetically be true in another instance... but in this specific instance they approved the same ad by the same politician after the phrase "climate change" was replaced with "democracy".

They specifically, explicitly, wanted the phrase "climate change" removed. In this instance, it is clearly not about the politician or political campaigns in general - it is about the specific phrase.

https://archive.ph/VNGYQ

fritztastic3• 4 years ago

You're correct.

I'm sure they have reasons that can be speculated about (probably money), including that they don't want to run controversial ads though I don't know if they have imposed the same criteria to different takes on the same subjects.

I think it's regrettable and irresponsible that climate change has been allowed to become such a controversial topic, although this has been a decades long effort. It might be they don't want to lose viewership by broadcasting certain topics. But also,

Very possible they get $ from advertisers who pressure them to avoid the topic

Seems to me most likely their decisions are financially motivated, but this is just a guess.

I admittedly don't know all that much about Hulu's policies or history in regards to the advertising they choose to accept. It may very well be they have other motives, are trying to appear nonpartisan by allowing Ds to advertise but giving them criteria about what they can say, how they say it.

Overtonwindow• 4 years ago

I would appreciate a ban on all political advertising on television, but especially on paid services.

Hulu blocks ads on abortion, guns, and climate change – and Dems aren’t happy

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