Pregnant woman says her fetus should count as a passenger in HOV lanes

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watchdog/2022/07/08/pregnant-woman-says-her-fetus-should-count-as-a-passenger-in-hov-lanes-she-got-a-ticket/

by groffee • 4 years ago

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mikewarot• 4 years ago

It's hard to argue against that logic... the Arch Druids can't have it both ways.

[Edit] Yeah... ok they can... those bozos shouldn't be in charge of the bus.

hprotagonist2• 4 years ago

don’t be silly; of course they can.

if you don’t believe a word you say, you just mutate state as needed to suits your needs.

if this seems unjust: good, do your part to do something about it.

hirundo• 4 years ago

if you don’t believe a word you say, you just mutate state when it suits you.

I am pro choice, but am entirely convinced that many many pro lifers are entirely sincere. If you think they are just holding that position out of convenience, I can see why you would interpret it as malicious. But that misinterpretation causes unnecessary hate and conflict.

h2odragon• 4 years ago

when i say "My body my choice" applies to vaccines, abortions, drugs, tanning beds; many seem to disagree. "want it both ways" cuts both ways.

sparky_z2• 4 years ago

It's very easy to argue against that logic. The entire point of having a separate HOV lane that moves faster than the other lanes to to incentivize people to share cars who otherwise would not do so. Since it is impossible for a mother and fetus to choose travel in separate cars, considering the fetus as a separate person when defining HOV lanes does not serve this purpose.

I see nothing remotely hypocritical about drafting traffic laws in this way, while simultaneously considering a fetus to have human rights and treating them as a "person" in other medical and legal contexts. Frankly, I think this would be gob-smackingly obvious to everyone involved, if it weren't tied up in a hot culture-war topic.

(Sadly, I feel the need to emphasize that, while I'm personally pro-choice, I'm making no argument here in favor of or against being pro-life or pro-choice. Just that this particular line of argument is really dumb and pointless.)

CharlesW• 4 years ago

It's very easy to argue against that logic.

As I read them, you’re introducing exceptions that Texas “managed lanes” laws don’t have.

Texas law is that “a vehicle occupied by two or more people…may use HOV lanes”. A fetus is not yet a person, but if Texas law says that fetuses are constitutional persons, then how would fetuses not have those rights in this case?

(IANAL, also just arguing based on logic.)

paulryanrogers• 4 years ago

HOV lanes should be for car pooling. Therefore to qualify a vehicle should have multiple people who are eligible to drive themselves, i.e. adults. So in this context there should be no debate.

Pregnant woman says her fetus should count as a passenger in HOV lanes

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