GTK+ on OSX is finally available

by nickb • 18 years ago

37 37 18 years ago

llimllib• 18 years ago

I want native gimp, and I see a screenshot on the developer page, but I don't see how I would get it (short of downloading and compiling myself). Anybody know more than I?

(edit: trying out http://gimp-app.sourceforge.net/ )

tjr• 18 years ago

Not full Gimp, but if can get by with a more basic graphics editor, this works native on OS X:

http://seashore.sourceforge.net/index.php

jws• 18 years ago

Last I tried you could download native gimp, but it was fatally flawed in its keyboard handling. Nice progress, but still more work to go. It's been a while since there was an update, so no breath holding.

Zev4• 18 years ago

Up till now, the "native" Gimp still used X11 (which is being worked on (see Xquartz), but still buggy) for OS X. And X11 isn't exactly native on OS X by any means.

mseebach2• 18 years ago

This, and the app-store debacle, is the kind of stuff that makes me think that Apple isn't in it for the long haul.

Why doesn't MacOSX ship with native GTK? And Qt? Why hasn't OpenOffice worked seamlessly from day 1? Or at least day 5? Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose?

If getting my favourite Linux apps to run on my MacBook had bees as easy as apt-get, heck, even as easy as under Windows, I'd still use Mac OS X.. now it's running Kubuntu, and I'm regretting not getting a ThinkPad.

I'm disappointed, I REALLY wanted to like MacOSX.

zain• 18 years ago

Sounds like you REALLY wanted MacOSX to be Linux.

j2d2• 18 years ago

It also sounds like he REALLY isn't apple's market anyway.

nailer3• 18 years ago

Most software developers want that - or, more specifically, all the benefits of Linux with mainstream hardware and application support. What's wrong with that?

mseebach2• 18 years ago

No. But the other threads in this discussion are about Gaim/Pidgin and Gimp.

Why has it been a dead-simple 5-minute thing to install those apps on Windows for years, but still tricky on MacOSX?

Why did it take, what 7 years, from the launch and immediate celebration of OSX, to get native GTK?

So, without knowing the answer to the above, I guess you could say I'd like it to be more like Windows (ducks).

Zev4• 18 years ago

Because Mac OS X has Cocoa/Aqua for its UI instead of GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE. If you want GTK/Gnome or QT/KDE, use Linux. If you want Cocoa/Aqua, use Mac OS X.

If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename"

Oh, and last i checked, NeoOffice worked fine (And OpenOffice is finally getting around to finishing a native Mac port). So, um, it has been supported since day one. If you bothered searching and finding it. But it's not Apple's fault OO.o doesn't advertise their product in a way to get on your radar.

nailer3• 18 years ago

> If you looked at something like MacPorts or Fink, you would see that installing $randomPackage is as simple as "sudo (fink/port) install packagename"

We both know the amount of packages available in Fink pales in comparison to the average Linux distribution. To state otherwise is disingenuous.

babo• 18 years ago

These package managers are a far cry from a decent Linux, dependencies are handled poorly, installing an innocent looking library sometimes takes hours. If you do a search you will find a lot of painful stories or long pages with tons of magic to install a simple piece of code. Duh.

trezor• 18 years ago

Uhm... So why did you get a Mac again?

I don't even have a Mac, but if all I wanted to do was run Linux shit (and you clearly did), I'd pick up a cheap Dell laptop instead of overpriced Mac hardware.

nailer3• 18 years ago

Perhaps an initial understanding that OS X could do everything Linux could. Otherwise, an appreciation of Johnathan Ive's industrial design.

tsuraan• 18 years ago

macports gives OSX a decent enough package management system; port install ocaml, port install erlang, what more could you ask for? I guess using system libraries would be a bonus, but it's really quite usable as-is.

lg• 18 years ago

the erlang port was broken for a while, actually...don't know if that's still the case, but anyway it's not hard to build from source.

michaelneale2• 18 years ago

>Why don't Apple embrace the huge community that worships their products, instead of becoming the next Microsoft? What have they got to loose?

I think for Shareholder Value, they DO want to be the next Microsoft. Technically uninteresting but raking it in for generations.

krschultz• 18 years ago

The reason Apple is very successful is because there are few choices. A lot of hardcore hackers don't get this, but people don't like a lot of choices, and they especially like uniformity and consistency. I like that for my Ubuntu setup, all the apps have the same look and feel whether it be GTK or KDE, I keep them separate. I like that for Mac OS X they all have a common look and feel. I don't like that on Windows everything looks different.

So by bringing in all this extra crap, they loose that consistent look and feel, and that is basically what separates their platform to most people. They have a lot to loose.

PStamatiou2• 18 years ago

Does this mean I can run pidgin/gaim on osx now?

yan• 18 years ago

Have you ever looked at adium?

michaelneale2• 18 years ago

Unified IRC and IM would be nice (I like pidgin).

PStamatiou2• 18 years ago

I use adium.. but I like being nostalgic over gaim.

GTK+ on OSX is finally available

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