Jason Fried - 10 Things We've Learned at 37Signals

http://www.krisjordan.com/2008/09/17/jason-fried-10-things-weve-learned-at-37signals/

by KrisJordan • 18 years ago

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edw5194• 18 years ago

Wow, there is so much wisdom here, I don't know where to start. So I'll just say that I have encountered almost every one of these situations at one point or another, and Jason is almost dead on.

The most important one for me is probably #3 "Get Rid of Abstractions". I learned this one the hard way. Now I just work on the problem at hand and worry about how to extend it later. It's a lot easier to generalize a specific case than to write something generalized in the first place. Could have saved me years.

fendale2• 18 years ago

Here here - In our project, its packed with generic features - most of them haven't be used ever and were released ages ago. Often they really complicate the application with lookup tables and weird logic that never sees the light of day, 'just incase'!

pc• 18 years ago

I think you mean "Hear, hear".

edw5194• 18 years ago

Good example but not what I was referring to.

I just finished an app with 51 separate modules, every one hard coded in infinite detail, and much of the code duplicated, 4000 LOC in all. Crazy, right? I used to think so, too. I could have written one very flexible parameter driven module in a few hundred LOC.

But guess what? Even though I bitched and moaned the whole time I wrote the monster, I was able to refactor and "genericize" it in one day. Start to finish time was much shorter than if I had written the flexible module first (that is, if I had ever finished).

This was a non-intuitive lesson for me. Write the specific case and extend later. I always used to try to write the most comprehensive "able to do anything" code until I realized that sometimes, the long way around is actually quicker.

Thanks again Jason, for #3.

newmediaclay• 18 years ago

I'm a huge fan of 37 signals' products and company philosophy. I bet this presentation is going to be the total opposite of most people speaking at the conference - I mean who else is going to get up there and talk about "Planning is vastly overrated" and "Underdoing."

Most presenters are going to focus on all of the amazing features their products offer...however, 37 signals is still more successful than 95% of those other companies.

KrisJordan• 18 years ago

Was a highly dynamic and fast moving presentation. Was impressed with Jason's delivery. Definitely a rock star of Web 2.0 as the house was packed. He makes the ideas sound even better than they read on SvN and Getting Real.

staunch• 18 years ago

Which really makes me want to see the video. Anyone know if it's up anywhere?

unalone3• 18 years ago

I think that the company succeeds for the same reason why their philosophy does: they are completely honest about what they do. When they say you're getting a project management system, that's exactly what you get. When they're asked about how they work, they answer it honestly. It's refreshing because they do exactly what they want to do and it works for them.

There are some things I don't like about them - namely, the splash page you get for their products - but there's no denying that they've made a set of utterly amazing products and that their blog is possibly the most interesting one I'm subscribed to right now.

13ren2• 18 years ago

Underdoing - if you forget about all those details that people tell you that you must have, and instead make a really useful product, people will find ways around those details, and buy it.

sfamiliar• 18 years ago

#6 is the one that resonates most strongly with me. in my last position there was one of these tiny-dog managers that'd pop in every 15 minutes or so and ask if something was done. at which point i'd spend five minutes explaining why it wasn't. he was the single biggest hindrance to my productivity. managers, don't be that guy. watch the trac task list if you must. don't harass the developers.

#3 - i take a little issue with this one, but not much. if it's straightforward to make something a little more flexible, the payoff is generally good. this depends on a few things: how sure are you that you'll be moving in that direction, how much work is it to add in the extra flex, how difficult will it be to connect up later?

it's worth thinking about, if only for a few minutes. the payoff could be huge, and even it's not, it's rarely wasted time.

mhartl• 18 years ago

#11 (15?): Almost everybody is going to spell "37signals" wrong no matter how famous we get.

michaelmurphy• 18 years ago

#1 resonates most strongly with me right now. The feeling of accomplishment when you complete a project creates that sense of momentum and excitement going into the next one.

Like Jason, I've noticed that quality of work seemingly diminishes toward the end of a long project when people are motivated mostly to simply complete the project.

aschobel2• 18 years ago

"13. Give up on hard problems - there is nothing wrong with being lazy. There is an abundance of easy problems that need to be solved. The really hard problems are probably better left to your competitors. Solve a bunch of simple things. Most people’s problems are simple and you can probably solve 10 in a month over 1 in 10 months."

Hard problems are a lot more fun to solve. How do you attract top talent if you are only solving easy things?

unalone3• 18 years ago

They're more fun, BUT they result in more work being done for less of a benefit.

Look at the sites that have succeeded the most and you'll see that they all solve basic problems, and that's resulted in most of them making tons of money. More specialized sites are more fascinating, but they attract fewer people and tend to be much less successful in absolute terms.

gruseom• 18 years ago

Look at the sites that have succeeded the most

Is search not a hard problem?

aschobel2• 18 years ago

It also depends on what kind of hard problems you are tackling.

YouTube solved the video codec Gordian knot, Google did the same with relevant search. Not easy problems, but they have huge benefits.

gnaritas• 18 years ago

With $$ and a nice working environment!

edw5194• 18 years ago

How do you attract top talent if you are only solving easy things?

A hard problem is just a bunch of easy problems tangled up together.

thalur• 18 years ago

One of the hardest bits can be working out what the easy problems are in the first place.

njharman• 18 years ago

> Not afraid that people will take their ideas and build a restaurant right beside of them.

Really? Then how come all the bitcheness around HuddleChat How disingenuous. (the lesson is correct, too bad they don't live by it)

I quote "We're flattered Google thinks Campfire is a great product, we're just disappointed that they stooped so low to basically copy it feature for feature, layout for layout," said 37Signals founder Jason Fried.

I know HN is suppose to be a cuddlefest where only the "right kind" of people are but I really think you guys need a devil's advocate post once in awhile to shine some reality on your rampant fanboyism.

davidw• 18 years ago

I think there's a lot of independent thinking here. The important thing is to keep it civil - to say things that you'd feel comfortable saying directly to the people involved.

Personally, I am kind of skeptical of 37S in that they talk a good talk, but... I have a sneaking suspicion that their true scarcity power comes from things like Rails and their blog. Or maybe not; it's hard to tell without doing some very in depth research.

axod• 18 years ago

The funniest thing for me was that campfire and huddlechat didn't really have any features or layout. It's a chatroom!

Google lost so much credibility taking huddlechat down IMHO.

13ren2• 18 years ago

Target nonconsumption

Jason Fried - 10 Things We've Learned at 37Signals

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