"Why I Hate Django" - DjangoCon 2008 Keynote by Cal Henderson [vid]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk

by danw • 18 years ago

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0_o• 18 years ago

If that link doesn't work for you,click this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Fr65PFqfk

danw3• 18 years ago

I wonder if people are voting up because they've watched it or if they like the title?

morbidkk2• 18 years ago

am sure about your doubt. Who has the patience to see 1 HR video and that too on youtube huh!

simonw• 18 years ago

Watch the first ten minutes and see if you get hooked.

Sujan• 18 years ago

ha i did. and it was worth it.

danw3• 18 years ago

i did

Answering affirmative to an either/or question isn't helpful.

tdavis• 18 years ago

This presentation was absolutely hilarious. Best quote:

"Obviously a big problem with the Django community is they're not smug enough. I figured out why. It turns out all the smug on the Internet is already being used [by Rails]; there's very little left to go 'round. I don't know how you'd overcome this. You're probably just screwed."

He had some valid points for general improvements to Django, many points that only really apply to huge-scale stuff which he himself pointed out is almost never necessary and a whole lot of hilarity. Best Django presentation ever.

Between why's "Documents Reveal Django Pony, Caught In Tail Of Lies" and this presentation, Django has not only fulfilled my Framework desires for the week, but also my humor desires. Can your community do that? (I stole some smug from Rails just there, did you catch it?)

fallentimes• 18 years ago

I wonder what was used to code TicketStumbler...

axod• 18 years ago

Fantastic presentation. If only all presentations were this funny.

iamelgringo2• 18 years ago

I actually went to DjangoCon, and this presentation was probably one of my favorites. Cal was hilarious, but he also had some interesting points about web frameworks and scaling, database sharding and using multiple db's within a framework. Cal should know what he's talking about when it comes to that.

It sounded like Adrian and Jacob really took his critiques to heart. During the "Future of Django session" they said that multiple db's on Django was a big priority for near future releases.

Other great presentations from DjangoCon were Mark Ram's presentation on problems with Django, and what Django can learn from Zope's failures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fipFKyW2FA4&feature=PlayL...

Mark had some interesting stuff to say about being careful having a monolithic applications that's divorced from the rest of the Open source community and trying to integrate prior work from the Python community instead of building everything from scratch.

For the non-Django people, there was a very interesting discussion on Journalism and Django, which talked a lot about the News Media, problems they are facing and possible technological solutions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgo8ZCHhMPs&feature=PlayL...

I just thought that panel was very interesting, because the panelists talked about a lot of interesting problems in News organizations that startups might just be able to fill.

All in all, DjangoCon on Google's campus was really great. It was heavy on the technical side of things, and light on the marketing/corporate rah-rah.

naish2• 18 years ago

Too bad I didn't know you were there. I would have looked for you... It's always nice to put a face to names (or aliases).

iamelgringo2• 18 years ago

If you're in the area, I run Hackers and Founders Meetup: http://entrepreneur.meetup.com/1737/

I enjoy meeting people from Hacker News as well.

e40• 18 years ago

If he uses "fuck" and "shit" that much in a presentation, I wonder how frequent they are in normal conversation?

tlrobinson• 18 years ago

I'd say he used those words quite effectively.

mace• 18 years ago

All DjangoCon 2008 videos: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=djangocon+2008

volida• 18 years ago

i tried watching the other videos, there is too much blah blah and luck of focus...

KrisJordan• 18 years ago

Cal just gave a great (also very entertaining) extended talk on scalable internet architectures at the Web 2.0 Expo in NY. My live notes here and will digest and add pictures this evening.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=306078

http://www.krisjordan.com/2008/09/16/cal-henderson-scalable-...

sdfx• 18 years ago

Funniest thing are the charts (particularly the one at 38:00). While they are probably as accurate as 90% of the charts from other presentations, the "hand made"-esthetics reflect the randomness pretty well.

froo• 18 years ago

I noticed Cal's "Happy Face" looks an awful lot like Zoolander's "Blue Steel"

olifante• 18 years ago

If you want to skip the humorous intro, the juicy stuff starts after 20 minutes or so.

"Why I Hate Django" - DjangoCon 2008 Keynote by Cal Henderson [vid]

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