Colleges and universities across the US are moving to ban caste discrimination

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/30/us/csu-caste-protections-universities-cec/index.html

by xqcgrek2 • 4 years ago

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snowgrove2• 4 years ago

It’s bizarre that universities are banning caste discrimination while at the same time actively discriminating based on race. See recent Harvard lawsuit over Asian student admissions.

daniel-cussen• 4 years ago

Yeah including discriminating against all castes of South Asian students.

tsol3• 4 years ago

Not really, considering they're both different types of discrimination. Acceptance quotas, while controversial, is different from racial discrimination.

tharne3• 4 years ago

This reminds me of the old Nixon quote, "When the president does it, it's not illegal".

It sounds like the universities aren't opposed to racial discrimination, they just don't like it when they lose their monopoly on it.

olliej3• 4 years ago

The various racial “quotas”, etc exist to offset the impact of the other racist policies and biases in the university’s enrollment system.

It would be nice if they weren’t needed, but history shows that they are.

snowgrove2• 4 years ago

This is one justification for racial admissions quotas. It ignores how black students admitted to Harvard often come not from the descendants of enslaved Americans but high-income first generation African immigrant families, or how many white students such as the children of coal miners and steelworkers have also suffered historical disadvantages. It also ignores how economically-disadvantaged Asian families have successfully used merit-based admissions as a ladder out of poverty, and how racial admissions quotas pull that ladder out of reach for many.

vanusa3• 4 years ago

The various racial “quotas”, etc exist to offset the impact.

What's with the ironic quotes on “quotas”? Are they instances of active discrimination, or are they not?

History shows that they are [needed].

A highly contentious assertion.

MarkMc• 4 years ago

One problem is that a quota system penalizes Asians more than whites. This would imply that Asians have historically benefitted more than whites from a biased university enrollment system. What could possibly cause the (mainly white) college administrators to give Asians preferential treatment over whites?

strikelaserclaw• 4 years ago

regardless of what you guys think, Harvard seems to have a pretty good system in place to benefit themselves, until that stops working, i don't think they will stop using their own admission policies.

tharne3• 4 years ago

This would require universities to admit that people who aren't of European ancestry can also be racist. I'm betting we're going to see a serious effort on the left to start categorizing South Asians as white.

ttfkam• 4 years ago

In today's edition of "Tell everyone you didn't read the article without actually saying you didn't read the article."

Also no, the left will not for a wide variety of reasons not the least of which is the lack of innate hierarchy in their worldview, typically found among right-leaning ideologies.

tsol3• 4 years ago

Good news. Unfortunately because this is a niche issue that most people aren't familiar with, it can be difficult to make progress. This is a positive move

tharne3• 4 years ago

I see this a lot where I work. It's bad, but it does seem to fly under the radar.

throwawaysea• 4 years ago

Is this a real issue? I feel like the real issue is that colleges use race based admissions and discriminate against Asian students. This seems like a distraction.

olliej3• 4 years ago

Most Ivy leagues discriminate against everyone who isn’t white, but they do it through legacy enrollments rather than explicitly saying it’s about race. The various racial “quotas” are a very hamfisted attempt to compensate that and other racist policies and biases.

It’s important to remember that you can easily make intentionally biased policies without ever mentioning the target of the bias.

jelliclesfarm• 4 years ago

Shouldn’t admission be based on entrance exams/test scores so everyone excels in what they have aptitude for…is that what meritocracy is about?

errantmind• 4 years ago

You assume they care at all about meritocracy (hint: they don't)

beerandt2• 4 years ago

They didn't like the results when they tried that.

musicale• 4 years ago

"Meritocracy" seems to have been coined in a dystopian satire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_Meritocracy

Colleges and universities across the US are moving to ban caste discrimination

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