Delta does not appear to make children sicker

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/delta-does-not-appear-make-children-sicker-secondary-immune-response-stronger-2021-10-08/

by peteradio • 5 years ago

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peteradio5• 5 years ago

Double-whammy article, second title: Secondary immune response stronger after infection than after shot

bryanlarsen2• 5 years ago

The problem with infection to provide immunity is its variability, not its strength.

It's kind of moot anyways, infection + vaccine is better than just an infection.

GaryTang• 5 years ago

What do you mean the variability?

isabelc• 5 years ago

No, according to Cleveland Clinic's study, vaccine adds no benefit to those with natural immunity.

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20210608/No-point-vacc...

rafale• 5 years ago

If the immune response is comparable to that of a fully vaccinated person, we should be issuing "immunization cards" to people who have recovered.

The goal is to control the disease, not the people.

throwaway72722• 5 years ago

Succinct way of describing it there, especially if prior infection is even stronger than the vaccine.

Unfortunately, vaccine passports appear to be used more as a punishment for not complying than being about disease control.

Edit - Incredible how you can be downvoted for laying out crystal clear logic there. Covid, eh!

glogla4• 5 years ago

That makes no sense logistically - the test to accurately measure that the people indeed have the antibodies in sufficient strength is more expensive than the vaccine - and now you have to distribute both instead of just one. It's not worth it.

adflux3• 5 years ago

Even though all the science points to infection being better than vaccination at creating immune response, it's not accepted as an alternative. Ridiculous IMO.

falcolas6• 5 years ago

FWIW, no, all the science does not point to an infection being better than a vaccine.

A well cited article that discusses this: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/prior-infection-vs-v...

Pxtl5• 5 years ago

Yes you can get natural immunity from COVID. You can also get dead, or permanent brain or lung damage.

Get the shots.

kybernetyk5• 5 years ago

Or you can get a heart defect from the shots. Or blood clots.

So there's no categorical "take the shot" or "dont take the shot". It's your personal risk profile that should be the deciding factor. Not some troll on the internet/tv telling you what to do.

tomp• 5 years ago

Is anyone seriously arguing both against the vaccine and pro infection?

People are just saying (and science confirms) that previously infected shouldn't be discriminated against or forced to vaccinate.

op00to3• 5 years ago

Or heart inflammation.

Pxtl5• 5 years ago

Well yeah, the problem with Delta is that it's so infectious that the tiny fraction of kids that face real risk is still a huge number as an absolute value.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/144680575939271...

Now a top trending killer in kids 5-14: #DeltaVariant.
Surging from near 0% in June to now ~8% of deaths in kids 5-14 are #COVID19 in September.

Some of those kids can get the shots, and should.

peteradio5• 5 years ago

I'd need to see the data backing that figure. I'm pretty sure it's percentage of some subset of deaths related to respiratory disease in particular rather than all causes of deaths like gun shots etc. Unfortunately thats a deeply misleading statistic in that context because it says that Covid is only a small portion of all respiratory related illness among children and yet you are using it in the reverse.

bsaul• 5 years ago

Looking at this comment section, i wonder how we have gotten to this point : basically any comment gets downvoted by the other side.

This whole crisis has become so political, it's completely absurd. We should be able to quietly talk about what's proven and what's not, what's a safe precaution, what's overkill, etc. without getting too passionate about it..

On a sidenote, I don't know if twitter is a good representative of the public debate in the US, but the level of hysteria on covid has reached an absurd level: obeses american wanting to wear no mask vs psycho-mum wanting to sue the whole world in order to protect their kids...

The most amazing thing about this epidemic could end up being our reactions..

MauranKilom• 5 years ago

Ironic how it's not only our own bodies destroying themselves due to COVID, but also our society overall...

slig• 5 years ago

"Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste"

Pxtl5• 5 years ago

While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong.

One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this.

The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.

JumpCrisscross4• 5 years ago

other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine

They is grey area in between these extremes. Religious and medical exemptions to vaccination are widely supported. And most anti-vaxxers aren’t on the hydroxychloroquine train. Within the antivaxxer community, a subset are fine with immunity documentation provided it reflect their natural immunity.

wizard-beta2• 5 years ago

No. There's a third side pushing for the Scandinavian solution. Pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate.

A little while ago, everyone wanted to be like Norway or Denmark or Sweden -- now they pretend these countries don't exist.

Edit: of course I got shadowbanned from Hacker News for opposing the surveillance state. Curse you.

Edit 2: someone below says "The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit people to discriminate based on whether one has those." Private venues setting access rules is incomparable to a surveillance state mandating rules for every person.

"The U.S. won’t jail you if you refuse the vaccine. But you have to stay home. This is functionally identical to the Scandinavian solution, minus public buildings."

I live in Denmark (mods, who are obviously watching me, can verify from my IP) and this is a lie. In Copenhagen today, you can go to stores, malls, museums, anywhere basically without showing a pas. Why don't you shadowban this person for "misinformation" since he is lying?

adolph4• 5 years ago

crisis has become so political

On the plus side, you know you can relax about the crisis because it’s political and no longer a crisis. We can gather around threads like these and complain (humans are hardwired to focus on the negative) because enoughs unknown and unsettled that’s everybody has a similar level of expertise. There’s a hint of a conspiracy and town-gown divides. It’s perfect for keeping those engagement stats up!

visava• 5 years ago

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peteradio5• 5 years ago

In case anyone is having trouble viewing this directly on reuters: https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-does-not-appear-children-18...

18pfsmt• 5 years ago

Here are the referenced studies this article is based on:

"Anti-SARS-CoV-2 receptor binding domain antibody evolution after mRNA vaccination"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04060-7

"Illness characteristics of COVID-19 in children infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.06.21264467v...

"Few children presented to hospital, and long illness duration was uncommon, with either variant. Interpretation COVID-19 in UK school-aged children due to SARSCoV2 Delta strain B.1.617.2 resembles illness due to the Alpha variant B.1.1.7., with short duration and similar symptom burden."

timbit42• 5 years ago

Isn't the bigger concern that kids can pass it on to adults who do get sicker?

Delta does not appear to make children sicker

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