Pantagruel: An Extremely Lightweight Specification Language

by crux • 5 years ago

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erichocean• 5 years ago

Why would someone use this instead of, say, TLA+ or Alloy?

TLA+ is already an "extremely lightweight specification language", with a super-useful model checker, and a ton of tooling around it (e.g. VSCode plugin), books, talks, hundreds of battle-tested examples online, etc.

dotancohen2• 5 years ago

For one thing, the fact that Pantagruel shows spec examples right on the homepage is very nice. Being familiar with neither tool, I just clicked around the TLA+ homepage and could find no actual spec examples - at best is a link to a zip which supposedly has a start.pdf file in it.

TLA+ might be a better language, but with no prior horse in the race the better-described tool will be my first to try. And unless there is a showstopper issue, I'd likely stick with it.

dotancohen2• 5 years ago

Update: It seems that TLA+ does have good documentation, just not on the project homepage. This page has an excellent, very convincing short summary and use case with code: https://learntla.com/introduction/

hwayne• 5 years ago

Why not? There's a lot of unexplored space in lightweight specification languages and it's always cool to see a new take on it.

Taikonerd• 5 years ago

The Github page[0] has some more "why" info. I think this is the crux of it:

There's a possibility for something with a much lower barrier to entry [...] than something like Z. Part of what makes this possible is that we can jettison a formal semantics entirely. It doesn't need to mean anything. At the end of the day the only semantics will be in the mind of the human reader.

So, it can't really be "machine-checkable" like TLA+ or Alloy are, because the symbols don't mean anything. I take it that's it's supposed to be more of an aid to thought, like diagramming on a whiteboard.

[0] https://github.com/subsetpark/pantagruel

Pantagruel: An Extremely Lightweight Specification Language

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