Ask HN: Are there any secure alternatives to iPhone?

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by smk_ • 5 years ago

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After the recent revelation of the zero-click exploits targeting iPhones, I am reconsidering my choice of phone. Are there any alternative hardware designers or software systems that offer better security than Apple phones?

How does Android or its different distributions hold up? How can one best protect oneself and ones device?

gtvwill• 5 years ago

Choice of device is mostly useless. They're all the same re. Security. Which is to say their only as good as the jurisdiction their being sold/used in. And given the laws Australia has implemented, if a company sells their product here or has operations registered in Australia you can't guarantee it hasn't been backdoored.

tentacleuno5• 5 years ago

And given the laws Australia has implemented, if a company sells their product here or has operations registered in Australia you can't guarantee it hasn't been backdoored.

Could you elaborate on this? I haven't heard anything about a new law allowing installing backdoors on devices mid-transit, although I would not be surprised.

RicoElectrico• 5 years ago

In your threat model take into consideration that there was a "secure phone" sold with an IM app that turned out to be backdoored by the author in cooperation with FBI.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/06/fbi-sold-phones-...

shaicoleman2• 5 years ago

Security is only as good as the weakest link. Each company that touches the phone or the software increases the attack surface.

Therefore, from a security perspective, the phones with the best security are the iPhones and the Google Pixel phones. They also generally have the quickest security updates.

If you install a custom ROM (e.g. LineageOS), you can make almost any phone reasonably secure, but that involves a lot of time and hassle. If you don't trust Apple/Google, that's probably your best option.

An alternative approach is to have a second device for security sensitive purposes, which can be locked-down, only essential apps installed, offline by default, etc.

tentacleuno5• 5 years ago

f you install a custom ROM (e.g. LineageOS), you can make almost any phone reasonably secure

Do the official LineageOS releases have Verified Boot (allow you to lock the bootloader)? Everything I've tried uses userdebug keys, which is pretty bad security-wise, and requires an unlocked bootloader.

I ask because Verified Boot ensures the root of trust is there in the binaries. If they're wrong by one bit, the OS won't boot.

Realistically, even if your OS has additionally security features compared to AOSP, it'd still be like building a house out of obsidian, then putting a wooden barn door on it.

shaicoleman2• 5 years ago

Do the official LineageOS releases have Verified Boot (allow you to lock the bootloader)?

Possible in theory, but complicated:

https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/device-stat...

https://www.reddit.com/r/LineageOS/comments/i76xme/is_it_pos...

These attacks require physical access to the device, and a rather sophisticated adversary.

If the attacker has physical access to the device, they could plant a camera to get the passwords or use a $5 wrench, etc.

https://xkcd.com/538/

At that security level, you can't trust a single device, and you'll probably need to look at security solutions such as hardware security keys (Yubikeys), Shamir's Secret Sharing, plausibly deniable encryption, etc.

tentacleuno5• 5 years ago

Security is only as good as the weakest link. Each company that touches the phone or the software increases the attack surface.

Didn't Librem try to work around this? I think they sealed it before transport, and used nail polish to ensure the device had not been tampered with in transit.

yuppie_scum• 5 years ago

Seriously consider a risk-based approach to your security posture.

brenda1996• 5 years ago

yes you can select from one-plus phone

tentacleuno5• 5 years ago

Could you give more information? Why OnePlus in particular?

feisar• 5 years ago

use the pixel 4a and put graphine OS on it

https://graphineos.org

tentacleuno5• 5 years ago

Either GrapheneOS[0] or CalyxOS[1] are generally viewed as good choices in the privacy community, depending on your threat model.

[0] https://grapheneos.org [1]: https://calyxos.org

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