Ask HN: Input for a project. Do you like dogs?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2803577

by cjwake • 15 years ago

7 16 15 years ago

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I am working on a pet related project. And because I know what it's like to build something no one wants, I'm focused on gathering input from as many people as possible before going down a similar path of frustration.

I am asking for responses to a very quick survey (< 2mins), and/or help in getting this to people that may have opinions or advice to share.

Are you a dog owner? Do you know a dog owner (friend, family or neighbor)? Or did you see a dog on the street once? If so, we'd love your input.

http://bit.ly/oNlpHV

Any and all help is greatly appreciated!

Khao• 15 years ago

I have no idea what you're going to do with a name such as overnight pets but to me it seems you're going to start shipping pets around, and I find this idea troubling.

dmlorenzetti• 15 years ago

From the questions they're asking, my guess is that it has more to do with boarding dogs overnight.

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thank you. Yes, definitely more along the lines of boarding dogs overnight. No shipping, whatsoever. :)

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thanks for the note. We are NOT shipping pets - in any way, shape or form. We meant this more along the lines of "overnight guest."

revorad2• 15 years ago

Do you really need all that personal info on the first page of the survey? You should at least say why you need it and what's coming on the next page. Why not explain your idea first?

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thanks, I really appreciate your feedback. I agree - I did move the personal details to the back in order to make sure that we are only gathering from people that are vested at that stage.

Also, I understand the value in explaining the idea on a landing page or similar, but at this stage, I am trying to first validate that what I see as a problem is in fact a problem - then I can objectively propose a solution. Again, trying to make sure that other people want or at least show signs of wanting what I do before I build something. :)

revorad2• 15 years ago

I see this new notion of interviewing people before working on an idea is becoming quite popular. I know it's useful to know if people would find something useful, but I think there's the danger of never trying out really innovative ideas. Much like writing, building things is an exploratory process. Typically my own ideas evolve and improve only once I actually start building them. This is especially true for things that are useful to myself and not just other people.

There is the risk that you will waste your time. But doing something new and useful often involves risks. And seemingly silly or bad ideas are often the best - http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2007/06/three-types-of-idea...

CarolineW• 15 years ago

Yup - I have no zip code, I'm not going to give you my email, and suddenly I don't care. Note - I actually went to see if I could help, but it's really badly designed.

I recommend you learn about progressive engagement.

You would be much more likely to get responses if you made a reasonable landing page where the project is outlined and pointed us at that. Also better to ask for area, city, zipcode or whatever at the end, when people are already invested.

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thanks for the feedback, I sincerely appreciate critical feedback here. I took your advice into consideration & did move the personal details to the back, so as to capture that information only from those that are invested.

I understand the value of the landing page with details on the proposition, but to be honest, I am using this survey to better understand/ validate the problem, and to confirm that I am not the only one with the issue. Once I validate that the problem is real, I can objectively propose a solution - obviously I have ideas now, but I thought it premature to project those ideas.

dgunn• 15 years ago

I can't think of a single reason why you would need my email address other than to email me.

Also, I feel like most of the questions had all those choices for no reason. I don't know how much meaningful information you could discerne by a person chosing "immediate family" vs "friend". Any? You should be more selective when you're creating a favor for others to do for you.

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thanks, I really appreciate your perspective. I have now moved the email/ personal detail capture to the rear, so you can enter if compelled.

And yes, emails are for emailing - but the thought here is only to email those individuals that seem (based on completion of all questions and/or responses) vested in what we are doing.

In terms of the information we are gathering, we offered multiple levels of familiarity (immediate family v. friend, etc.) to better understand the spread of trust relationships. As with kids, people do not trust their dog with just anyone, so we would like to understand how far that trust spreads.

wdewind• 15 years ago

So half way through the second page I think I got what you are thinking of and I don't think I would be interested in doing it. If you are thinking of using my extended social network to somehow find me a free dogsitter or swap some kind of dogsitting favors no thanks. I wouldn't really even trust my dog with a friend of a friend (though I have a particularly tough breed to deal with). This is something I actively WANT to pay for because I WANT a strong, unambiguous contract here. I pay a huge amount for doggie daycare that I use roughly 3x a week, and I board my dog at the same place when I go out of town, and it's worth every penny. Would be happy to chat with you more if you'd like, contact info in profile.

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thanks for the input, will definitely be in touch.

staunch• 15 years ago

I've watched my neighbor's dogs many times and they've watched mine a few times. I don't think I would use a service like this. I knew and trusted my neighbors quite a while beforehand. Meeting people over a web site, then entrusting my dogs lives to their care isn't something I would want to do.

I'd be more willing to take care of other people's dogs, but don't know why I'd volunteer to take on the work. Even in exchange for money I probably wouldn't do it.

That said, I do think there is a market for this. Plenty of people are not nearly as cautious (paranoid) about their dogs as I am. There are also probably a good number of people that would do it for small sums of money ($20-$30/day). The dog kennel industry seems way too expensive to me. It shouldn't be so expensive to take care of a dog.

Cracking this kind of market is hard though. It's mostly a marketing/brand job and if that's not a strong suit of yours I'd stay clear away.

Actually I'd much rather you start a dog kennel that is cheap as possible while maintaining safety and quality. A simple safe place to drop off my dogs while I go on vacation. I don't see why that service can't be offered for $30/day or something.

I don't think anyone has managed to build a chain of well respected and affordable dog kennels in the US.

cjwake8• 15 years ago

Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. For what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment on leaving your dog with someone that you've built a relationship with over time, rather than a stranger. Or even more pointedly, leaving your dog with someone you know, and someone that knows your dog, v. leaving them with a "professional."

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