AnonymousIRC leaks hundreds of docs from Arizona law enforcement (3rd time)

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by gasull • 15 years ago

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pavel_lishin3• 15 years ago

> we want a world free from police, prisons and politicians altogether.

I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.

shii3• 15 years ago

Somalia has tons of police, prisons, and politicians in every faction state. The TFG, Puntland, Somaliland, and whatever else dipshit Somali govts out there all have some resemblance of law, no matter how poor.

Don't spread the glib ignorant idea that Somalia is some sort of anarchist heaven. That just makes you sound like another silly westerner. It's a former state carved into several other competing states with their own separate order.

pavel_lishin3• 15 years ago

Oh, I'm aware it's not a heaven. And history seems to prove that any anarchist system eventually turns into a bunch of little competing fiefdoms .

gasull3• 15 years ago

The TFG has really no control over the country, not even in the capital. So Somalia, or at least the TFG, is pretty much an anarchist state (or non-state).

On the other hand, Somalia is doing poorly compared to developed nations, but better than a lot of countries with (corrupt) Government and police in Africa. At least in Somalia/TFG they aren't powerful enough to do any harm. E.g. they have the fastest and cheaper cell phone and Internet providers in Africa.

baltcode• 15 years ago

I hear Stalin was pretty advanced in keeping his people 'secure'. That's just just hyperbole, you can do better than that.

brudgers• 15 years ago

[OT] One of the things which struck me when I reread Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago a few years ago was how several prisoners were convicted of terrorism and the apparent use of terrorism charges as a catchall for a variety of behaviors which were contrary to the interests of the ruling political circle.

burgerbrain2• 15 years ago

Anarchists are a natural offset to those who wish themselves unfettered power.

May they both never get what they want.

bh42222• 15 years ago

I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.

Well, you could make a decent argument that in a direct democracy like Switzerland the politicians are largely figureheads similar to the queen of England.

In other words, that's almost like being free of politicians, but Switzerland certainly has no shortage of police.

But then again, they also don't have nearly as many non-violent drug offender in prison as the US does.

skeltoac• 15 years ago

Wrong target, Anon. Law enforcement personnel, while a natural ally to every form of official corruption, do not have the power to improve the immigration situation. At most they could refuse to uphold the law by ignoring any suspicion of illegal status. Maybe they should do this, but not because they fear Anon; because they know it's right.

danilocampos• 15 years ago

I'm not so sure.

If we can take as given the notion that power leads inevitably to corruption, and that corruption currently exists, it strikes me that the most straightforward way to minimize the potential for ongoing corruption is to compromise the secrecy it requires.

Further, if we agree that law enforcement may serve as an agent of corruption, its large surface area makes it an interesting target. If the arm of the corrupt is bound by watchful eyes, the damage that arm can do is minimized. Further, if the corrupt are using law enforcement in the advancement of their own dubious agenda, there may be useful evidence laying around.

To bring this back to something more concrete: Arizona politicians are using bullshit fear to advance an agenda and immigration laws are a lever they're trying to pull. Who can guess how law enforcement activities are implicated in such a strategy? It seems a reasonable tree to shake.

This is not to say that I necessary endorse – or condemn – the actions described here. I'm pretty conflicted. But if you're going to batman this kind of thing, you could do a lot worse than starting with law enforcement. There's no direct route to the end boss of corrupt power. You'd need to build a Rube Goldberg machine – and this strikes me as decent cog in such a device.

civilian• 15 years ago

I don't believe it either. Because of the vast amount of laws on the book and places that police can patrol or investigate, there is a lot of potential for selectively applying the law. Selectively applying the law allows them to introduce bias and change the immigration situation, or any situation!

A good example is the drug-busts of medical marijuana dispensaries in California. Federal law enforcement ran the busts, but they got help from California state troopers & city police, even though the Californian policeman should be upholding California law and the 10th Amendment. They were choosing to misapply the law. I hoped they would have defended the dispensaries-- and at the least, I was hoping that they would be a neutral force.

ginoocchialini• 15 years ago

Isn't it ironic that anonymous hacks a police website and exposes police officers' personal information, all the while basing this on an ideology that information should be unhindered and free. But throughout all of this anonymous remains just that, those in anonymous get to hide their own information, their own details, while exposing those of others. Are anon's some how more entitled to privacy than the civil servants that protect us possibly with their lives. Anonymous has strayed from their righteous path, operation freedom and their crusade against scientology were admirable, or at least slightly virtuous, but now they are becoming petty. Standing for freedom is one thing, but what of these individuals freedom to privacy, is that meaningless?

AnonymousIRC leaks hundreds of docs from Arizona law enforcement (3rd time)

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