Top ISPs Poised to Adopt Graduated Response to Piracy

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by frankdenbow • 15 years ago

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eck• 15 years ago

I can't wait until Anonymous starts sending infringement notices in bulk. Cutting off people's Internet access based on a few random threats is a pretty obvious denial of service vulnerability.

marcamillion5• 15 years ago

This is actually quite brilliant. It turns the DDOS model on it's head. Rather than cut off the web site, you cut off the visitor.

That's crazy scary!

kragen2• 15 years ago

Presumably only large copyright-holding organizations like ASCAP (or members of the RIAA and MPAA, sometimes known by the collective acronym MAFIAA) will be allowed to send infringement notices, not anonymous people.

nitrogen• 15 years ago

Presumably only the legitimate owner of a website is allowed to alter its content, or send e-mail originating from its domain, not anonymous people.

(Apologies for the potentially-mocking structure of my response; I intend only to point out that, when hacking is on the table, identity can be forged)

marcamillion5• 15 years ago

I believe that LulzSec activities of late, likely accelerated a deal like this happening.

Goodbye freedom of the internets, forever.

nextparadigms• 15 years ago

How is cracking down on copyright infringement related to Lulzsec hacking into websites?

Trust me, they've been working on doing this for a while, and they're trying to do it in as many countries as possible in the same time, so that they can give each other as example, and hope that people will take the new laws for granted. It's their evil master plan.

RIAA and MPAA are by far the most dangerous entities for our freedoms online, more than the Government itself is with their own initiatives for censorship. But what RIAA is trying to do all over the world is at least one level above what governments were trying to do already. People must revolt and put and end to this before it's too late.

marcamillion5• 15 years ago

Because cracking down on copyright infringement is tough to do politically.

But if they can show that 'everybody is in danger', i.e. see these 'rogue hackers' are attacking not just companies but the CIA, the Fed, etc., then it becomes politically easier for them to go through with stuff like this.

LulzSec is playing into their hands.

They are terrifying the public, with the constant headlines and giving these idiots the political initiative to 'control' the internet.

Now they can say, these anonymous hackers are pirating and hacking. They need to be stopped. Large Co is now the victim, the anonymity of the internet that these hackers hide under is the enemy, so they are going after it vigorously.

This is just the first step. But believe me, the end game is: Everybody suffers. Privacy for none.

marcamillion5• 15 years ago

Really...all the downvoting ? Is it unrealistic to see that by attacking all these large companies as a 'headless' organization that can't be tracked, would force them to join forces with each other and the government to implement more stringent IP protection laws and get rid of anonymity online ?

sukuriant3• 15 years ago

You're not alone in these concerns

misuse-permit• 15 years ago

> As for who pays for all this, the ISPs and copyright owners will share the costs of operating the program, sources said.

After reading this, I still don't understand how the RIAA/MPAA are convincing ISPs to get on board. What's in it for the ISPs besides a bunch of angry customers?

forensic• 15 years ago

Cronyism

As both ISPs and the content owners become more monopolistic, their long-term class-linked interests become more aligned.

Monopolies cooperate with other monopolies to the strengthening of all monopolies in general.

marcamillion5• 15 years ago

Revenue share on content licensing.

The first step is to crack down on piracy. Next step is to 'bundle' licensing deals in Cable/Internet bills.

anamax• 15 years ago

> What's in it for the ISPs besides a bunch of angry customers?

The RIAA/MPAA is telling ISPs "if you cooperate, we won't sue you." The ISP is thinking "If I cooperate, I'll lose N customers, which costs me less than being sued."

Sure, you'll be mad, but I'm pretty sure that the ISP is correct in thinking that the vast majority of its customers won't care.

beloch• 15 years ago

Also worth noting:

The more effort the ISP's put into this initiative the more it costs them in terms of labor and upset customers. It therefore seems pretty obvious that the optimal solution for an ISP is to join the program but put in the minimum effort possible.

I predict that file-sharing tools will evolve much faster than the ISPs' half-hearted anti-piracy efforts. The result will be a lot like the RIAA lawsuits of the last few years. Occasionally someone will get unlucky, but the odds of getting caught will be so low that pirates will not be deterred to any significant degree. The only real result will be continued ill-will towards publishers, which will probably result in a net boost to piracy rates.

aninteger• 15 years ago

I see a future of encrypted bit torrent traffic and hosted torrent files on Freenet.

a3_nm• 15 years ago

Why not host the files directly on Freenet then?

wmf• 15 years ago

Freenet is really slow. But you probably don't need it at all now that BitTorrent supports magnet links.

sukuriant3• 15 years ago

Bit-torrent is distributed, lightening the load on individual nodes in a network. That's still an incredible advantage.

rfugger• 15 years ago

Who doesn't encrypt their torrent traffic already? But this does nothing to prevent your IP address from being easily associated with the torrent.

yogsototh• 15 years ago

There is an institution dedicated to "graduated response to piracy" in France. It is a complete fail. As far as I know, nobody ever received a letter claiming their Internet access will be restricted.

While they rely on technical system to stop piracy, they will fail.

For now it is more a societal behavior problem than a technical one. The only way I see to fight efficiently piracy is to make easier to pay than to pirate things. I predict a very long mouse and cat fight.

mrspandex• 15 years ago

I do agree that piracy is a societal problem, but the "buying needs to be simpler than piracy" argument is crap. Look at music - I can buy any album I can think of on Amazon with one click. The problem is that people don't want to pay money for what they can get for free and they don't feel shame in pirating it.

william42• 15 years ago

From everything I've heard, the rise of things like Amazon Music, Netflix, Steam, etc. has vastly decreased piracy in the United States, and most piracy nowadays is by people in the developing world, which is something I have trouble caring about.

ruby_on_rails• 15 years ago

Yet I still can't purchase the Ghost in the shell soundtrack.. A best selling film from 1995 and I still have never seen it in itunes, amazon, whatever. I had a cd shipped to me a couple years ago. But easy purchasing music, most certainly not. Also, I have yet to ever meet an artist that is upset about piracy. All of them make money on tours, not albums. Record companies make money on albums.

Secondly, the mass p2p shakedown schemes should give you a fair idea of what this agreement means. Some lawyer says you infringed a copyright and has some obscure document "proving" it There have been plenty of white papers written showing how completely misleading and fraudulent the evidence put forward by these lawyers are. Do you seriously think that this new agreement will be any different? Hell, they don't even have to convince a judge, they just have to claim there's a wolf and AT&T will be there to kill the sheep.

Top ISPs Poised to Adopt Graduated Response to Piracy

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