When is it time to give up on your web startup?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26306

by keiretsu • 19 years ago

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keiretsu• 19 years ago

Assuming you just can't get any traction (more than 10,000 users) after a year, would you give up?

ciordia9• 19 years ago

Not enough axes to make such a decision. What was your break even number, what was your monetization strategy, what was not working with your marketing strategy, what things did you implement around mid-year that didn't work...

Death of a startup is due to cumulative losses, not one factor. If you'd like to build a better scenario I'll throw some change in. ;)

webwright2• 19 years ago

Need more data. What type of service? What type of users? Having 9,000 enterprise customers is HUGE. Having 9,000 small biz owners is GOOD. Having 9,000 12 year old gamer-kids is not all that good. How indispensable is your service to your users? How fierce is your competition? How much do you still love your idea? How improvable is it?

Might want the check out "The Dip: Knowing when to Quit and When to Stick" by Seth Godin...

bootload• 19 years ago

'... Need more data ...'

One short measure you can decide on is uptake. If there is little or no uptake you know you are in trouble. But I agree there is a lack of information. Startups are designed to stumble all the time. Is keiretsus` startup stumbling? Is the lack of a compelling idea holding it back? Is the product something that "customers want"?

Is it an Artix? ~ http://www.paulgraham.com/bronze.html

brlewis• 19 years ago

Users is the wrong number. How many happy contributors do you have?

kyro• 19 years ago

I assume you're referring to your own startup, and if so, I'd like to know the url.

chandrab• 19 years ago

I wouldn't give up until you've tried everything you possibly can to make it a success.

dawie• 19 years ago

Don't give up. Morph it and make it simpler...IE. Implement a subset of what you want to do.

davidw2• 19 years ago

This is a very important question, and I'm glad to see it discussed. Any idiot can run something into the ground, but the tricky thing is to know when to give up and try something new. Do it too soon, and maybe you didn't really do all you could. Too late, and you look "bull-headed", rather than the more flattering label "persistent" that gets applied to successful startups.

webwright2• 19 years ago

Oh, and for all the people who say "never give up", that's terrible advice. :-)

steve• 19 years ago

I would rephrase giving up as: move on to a more compelling startup.

Tichy• 19 years ago

Why, though? Because some bloggers think so, it is proven?

ivan• 19 years ago

Don't give up before the end of second year!

jaggederest2• 19 years ago

I wrote a blog post ( http://illicittech.blogspot.com/2007/05/sunk-cost-fallacy-and-dilemma.html ) about this, but basically, people are irrationally attached to things they've invested in. If it's (objectively) not working, put it aside and try something else.

davidw2• 19 years ago

Yes, but "not working" might be difficult to gauge if it's something that grows according to a curve. You might risk bailing out before the inflection point.

jaggederest2• 19 years ago

'put it aside' != bail out

I'm not saying you throw it out, just switch the majority of your effort elsewhere. Keep your demo/beta or whatever running, and if people start using it, you'll see that and can move back to it. Further investment is all you should worry about.

cglee• 19 years ago

Get out when:

- you have no more passion (go find a more interesting project) - you run out of money (go work for a few months and save up some seed capital, and find a more interesting project) - you become seriously unbalanced (emotionally, spiritually) for prolonged period of time (say, 1year). - you have serious health problems

tx• 19 years ago

Whenever your friends and family start trying to avoid the subject of your startup in conversations, it's time to quit.

SwellJoe• 19 years ago

That happens with every startup I've ever seen, within months of starting it up--regardless of the quality of the startup. I don't think this is a very good way to measure startup potential.

You, as the entrepreneur, better be damned excited about your idea and your team and your product. So excited, in fact, that you talk about it all the damned time to everyone. Of course, talking is rare...you don't talk to many people during that phase, because you're busy working. But nonetheless, if your girlfriend isn't sick of hearing about what you're working on, then you might not be passionate enough about it to pull it off.

petervandijck• 19 years ago

After 2 years, if growth is linear instead of exponential and you haven't figured out a business model not exacty where this product is going. Basically. :).

pg• 19 years ago

There are two reasons you might give up: the project or the people.

Most projects have some good idea buried within them. Often instead of giving up you can figure out what the good idea is, and refocus on that. But there are cases where you should give up on an idea: for example, when some external change has made it obsolete.

It's harder to say when to give up on the people. Probably some people are not meant to be startup founders-- either because they lack energy, or because they're hopelessly impractical, or because their minds are more suited to other work. It's hard to judge this for oneself. Sometimes it's even hard for me as a neutral observer with a lot of practice to judge.

In practice most dying startups get garbage-collected by money constraints. If you can't convince customers or investors to give you money, eventually you have to give up and get a job. It may be that test is the best we can hope for.

When is it time to give up on your web startup?

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