Planning for hypergrowth

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by nanott • 19 years ago

4 7 19 years ago

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nanott2• 19 years ago

So, how does one plan for massive growth during first few days/weeks? Consider possible scenario of launching and within first 3 days millions of users are visting the site daily. Maybe this is an obvious (or nonsensical) guestion - thought I'd ask anyway.

r38y• 19 years ago

I would say plan for some traffic you can afford, but know of someone that can help you out if you really get into trouble. It's along the lines of "worry about that problem when you have it, because that problem is a great one to have".

danielha• 19 years ago

It's a great situation to be in, but it's not a great problem to have. Worry about this before you launch because turning away potential users isn't a goal.

falsestprophet• 19 years ago

I would host with nearlyfreespeech.net. They are a pay as you go hosting service. So if you use them, you don't have to pay for a month of high traffic hosting for isolated peaks (like being dugg for instance).

On the off chance you become consistently epically successful you should be prepared to move to dedicated hosting and to split the application between servers if necessary. This will take extra development time especially if you don't really know what you are doing. But, I think it is a worthwhile skill set for an ambitious young web entrepreneur to learn.

I think it would be optimal to immediately try to monetize traffic to determine whether you really need to pursue outside funding. I estimate that you can recklessly fund the adventure on even a lower limit credit card (or just get an Amex charge card if you're feeling particularly reckless).

As everyone says it is a good problem to have. But, as a matter of full disclosure, I should note that I don't really know much about this. I am an as yet unsuccessful entrepreneur. Good luck.

especkman• 19 years ago

Well, lets start with comparables:

1) Which sites have seen their traffic grow to millions of visitors daily within a few days of launch. I can't think of any, but you must have a few in mind.

2) What did they do or fail to do to handle that growth?

nanott2• 19 years ago

Actually, a related and perhaps more interesting question might be: considering a viral marketing scenario, how can one compute a practical upperbound on how quickly website traffic would grow?

dhouston• 19 years ago

it depends on where your bottlenecks are. if you're serving static content (e.g. an image hosting or photo sharing service), amazon S3 is a cheap and simple way to do so. if you have a big database involved anywhere (e.g. facebook, which has to keep track of user profiles, mappings between users, groups, and god knows how many hundreds of other kinds of connections), it's a lot tougher.

in general, you can "scale up" (buy bigger servers) for a little while, but eventually you'll have to "scale out" (divide the load across a lot of smaller servers.) amazon's EC2 service lets you do this relatively easily. it's hardly plug and play though; you have to figure out how to scale out within your app and ensure that you can split up your data across multiple servers, which is often not trivial. for example, even if you can partition your data, what if one "piece" gets hammered with a disproportionate amount of traffic (i.e. one particular photo album or whatever gets dugg/slashdotted); what if a server goes down; what if you need to dynamically add servers; how do you protect data if a disk completely fails; etc.

here's some food for thought from the sysadmins of livejournal and digg, and how they dealt with growth.

http://www.getdropbox.com/u/2/Interesting/servers%2C%20infrastructure/danga.com%20livejournal%20backend.pdf http://www.getdropbox.com/u/2/Interesting/servers%2C%20infrastructure/digg%20sysadmin%20presentation.pdf

perhaps better than the technical solutions are social solutions to hypergrowth: you can use invites, beta periods or waiting lists to control your growth instead of turning people away indefinitely, and also set users' expectations that things may go wrong and to bear with you. it's really tough to anticipate on the technical side where things will break if you're adding hundreds of k users; just look at ilike, which got rocked by f8 signups.

there are more pieces too besides just serving the http requests properly :P presumably you'll need to provide some support to these people, answer emails, fix things when they go wrong, have some method of discovering and triaging problems, etc.

Planning for hypergrowth

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