OnlyFans Faces Allegations of Fraud, Theft

https://forensicnews.net/2020/08/13/onlyfans-faces-allegations-of-fraud-theft/

by AndrewBissell • 6 years ago

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ivalm• 6 years ago

Seems down, hug of death?

pgt• 6 years ago

Does anyone have a cached version?

processing• 6 years ago

https://archive.vn/nOcQz

onlyrealcuzzo• 6 years ago

Is there a reason why Hacker News and Reddit and other sites don't provide a cache to external links?

arusahni• 6 years ago

Cached version here: https://web.archive.org/web/20201028000024/https://forensicn...

kristopolous2• 6 years ago

I've long wondered what would happen if "self produced" pornography saw its day in court.

Afaik the exception pornography initially had which made it exist outside of sex work rules hinged on where the money came from. If it was from someone engaging in the act, then it's prostitution. If it's someone else, then it's acting.

But arguably, the payment here is more direct so I honestly think it wouldn't be obvious. The customers are paying for the purpose of potentially live sex work merely with a barrier of technology between them.

I'd imagine it's the same as the peep shows where someone pays to enter a booth to watch a promised tantalizing performance with a transparent barrier between the participants, but I really don't know.

The second interesting thing is about teenagers. The original argument again, relied on two models: one where the person is getting paid by a participant, which is seen as abuse, and the second method where they may or may not be paid but an adult is doing the recording and distribution, which is seen as exploitation.

But what if it's the teenager themselves that turn on the camera and presses record entirely on their own? The exploitation and abuse arguments no longer hold so I'd imagine that this too may not be so obvious.

The argument that it's illegal to consume or possess the material may still hold if the method of production can't be demonstrated but what about to produce and distribute the content?

I certainly would have pursued an amateur career as a teenager for extra money if it was available. Also, if the content was still floating around now, 20 years later, the only thing I'd feel would be extremely flattered.

DaiPlusPlus2• 6 years ago

There's plenty of cases of kids being charged with, and convicted of, production of child pornography by sharing nude selfies on Snapchat: https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjvnx3/minors-can-be-convict...

vmception6• 6 years ago

Should have went with a first amendment challenge in federal court.

Silly state legislatures.

If only these defendants had money.

kristopolous2• 6 years ago

Interesting. This seems rather bizarre. The whole sex crime framework needs to be fundamentally revisited.

Someone taking a photo of themselves to share privately with someone sounds in the clear.

When these laws were written someone would have had to process the film themself, make a print, address an envelope and put it in the mail. A teenager doing that for a casual recipient sounds like some outlandish stunt in a John Waters film. The courts and legislatures can be forgiven for not having accommodated for such things.

However we now live in clearly different times.

It's almost like the political fallout would be so severe that neither judges nor politicians are willing to exercise the political capital so everyone stays in the lane no matter how absurd things get.

Being called a "pro-pedophilia" candidate for claiming teenagers shouldn't become sex-offending criminals for taking photographs of themselves would be a daunting attack to work through. In a position of power I'd probably also assess it's not worth the political capital and stick with the program as well.

Maybe there needs to be a more favorable case like say, a secretly sexually active teenager uses an online medical service to send photographs about a possible infection and their over-reacting zealous parents find out, become outraged, and try to sue the medical service for possessing underage content.

cortesoft• 6 years ago

If there is no physical contact, how is what happens different than a strip club? I think prostitution requires physical contact.

koolba• 6 years ago

Depends on the State. In some full nude is not allowed. Others it’s only allowed if alcohol isn’t served. Others not at all.

Zenbit_UX• 6 years ago

Afaik the exception pornography initially had which made it exist outside of sex work rules hinged on where the money came from. If it was from someone engaging in the act, then it's prostitution. If it's someone else, then it's acting.

At the risk of stating the obvious here I'm pretty sure the difference was whether it was filmed or not.

vmception6• 6 years ago

Okay wow this guy has mastered the funnel!

He owns the website with leaked porn accounts passwords to his own porn websites!

I’m not even mad, that’s amazing.

I would argue that alot fewer people would be subscribing to onlyfans feeds if they didn’t have familiarity with premium accounts already. Although the personal touch is pretty unique.

55555• 6 years ago

Yeah i think quite possibly it's a fake hacked passwords site where he basically sells access to his own sites for even cheaper, under the pretense of them being hacked.

scarmig• 6 years ago

If true, that's a truly an example of price discrimination for the ages. I honestly have a hard time imagining anything sleazier.

maxharris• 6 years ago

Is there any evidence that this piece politically motivated? Like is the guy a Trump donor or a Biden donor or something?

c0nducktr• 6 years ago

I'm asking this in good faith: Why would you assume political motivation for this post?

eyelidlessness3• 6 years ago

I’m certain there isn’t a political motive behind this article but I can only assume the question is based on background knowledge that the linked site and one of the bylines has been a powerhouse of trump exposes.

vmception6• 6 years ago

Another thing that is pretty interesting about this is that many people use OnlyFans as an alternative to Patreon, where they aren't just selling skin they are selling anything to fans and curious people.

The owner is definitely in the business of making erotic cam and pornography websites with no ambiguity. I didn't actually know that beforehand.

rassputin902• 6 years ago

Underage and all. "Man in jail" walking. If i were him I'd sell it and move on.

RcouF1uZ4gsC• 6 years ago

OnlyFans scammed me out of money by making me ‘subscribe’ to a user that I had no intention of subscribing to. Then I asked support to request a refund, only for them to say we don’t offer refunds under any circumstances

This is why PayPal is so popular with consumers. The Internet is full of shady businesses who will abuse your payment information. For all its issues from a business perspective, from a consumer perspective, PayPal's stance of the consumer is always right is a great thing.

qppo• 6 years ago

I wonder if there's some money laundering going on, like taking payments to models and cashing it out to bank accounts they don't control

OnlyFans Faces Allegations of Fraud, Theft

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