Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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by dfxt8 • 6 years ago

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GenerocUsername• 6 years ago

Sounds immoral and possibly illegal. Good luck ever proving it to the degree necessary to enact change

fortran77• 6 years ago

Do you know what Indian law is?

nickmooney• 6 years ago

Speaking about conspiracy by "pseudo-feminists and simps" doesn't lend a lot of credibility to the argument.

ajharrison• 6 years ago

If you have a masters and your applying for an internship at Google you’re doing it wrong.

Zenst• 6 years ago

Facts are that many of these companies do not have the 50/50 perfect split of genders and are actively encouraged by some higher-ups to be able to tick that box as it is viewed as something that without could effect the share price.

How companies get to that ideal balance is questionable in some cases and the crux is that until the whole gender aspect is taken of the table and we just call each other humans, such things will always play out.

If it bothers you - just tick the "other" box in gender based forms, of which that option is provided by such companies.

londons_explore• 6 years ago

If it bothers you - just tick the "other" box

Or tick whatever you like. The question is "Which gender do you most identify with", and it's totally fine to change your answer every 5 minutes - it's your own choice!

sprez2• 6 years ago

Interestingly, a guy from my uni choose the female gender for the online coding challenge, and got shortlisted (inspite of scoring less than his other male friends who were rejected), but was ultimately rejected after the interview

klyrs• 6 years ago

This is a very small number of anecdotes with heaps of conjecture and outrage.

sprez2• 6 years ago

To be fair, this is nothing new and it is a unwritten rule in India that top tech companies select just female candidates from most unis, and some talented males (and females) from the top institutes-the IITs. One of the very first things boys learn in Indian colleges is that these companies discriminate and they have little chance.

yodsanklai• 6 years ago

I don't know what we can deduced from these anecdotal evidences. But would that be legal for a US company or university (e.g. academic job) to enforce quotas based on gender?

BTW, I remember a Facebook (or Google, dont remember) recruiter mentioning gender diversity in their company. He told me that they tried to be as diverse as possible, but that the bar was the same for everybody...

xiphias22• 6 years ago

You can show that recruiter this picture:

https://buildyourfuture.withgoogle.com/programs/step/

Google at this point isn't even trying to hide that it's discriminating against white men, because it can get away with it. Still, I think it's a great company even with all its faults (I say it as a white man).

foota• 6 years ago

I count something like 20 people that look like women and 17 that look like men. Sounds pretty even to me?

throwawardauto• 6 years ago

I would like to give you an advice on this matter, don't fight against it at all. Why? Because you are bound to lose . You'll only fill yourself with rage and might be able to help a few individuals, but in long run it's not worth it at all.

Yes there is blatant sexism happening in Indian IT industry's Tech Giants and yes many more people are going to get rejected, but theres nothing you can do about it. Those who don't believe this, just ask placement interview experience from a coed university vs a girls only college. See I'm not against women empowerment or existence of girls only college here, but when one party gets grilled on advanced cp problems and the other gets asked about why should we hire you as their sole question (yes the only question they be asked about for a tech position like sdeI) then theres ought to be questions here. There are companies that are just ticking/filling their diversity quotas. I've many many examples(or anecdotal experiences) from me and many other people I know of and I am willing to share then if anyone wants to hear.

But we've come to a point where anything said against such rigged systems will get you labelled as women hater or anti_feminist. So what did I do? I caved in. I asked my girlfriend who got placed in a mass recruiter Company with mere 3.4 lpa to prepare for 1-2 months and give interviews for a big tech company in blore region and guess who gets 15 lpa package? I told her small sister who still was in last year of her girl's only college about diversity hiring and she got placed in another tech giant.

Don't fight them, instead go with the flow. At this point no one cares about your hardwork or actually helping under priveleged girls, all they care about is how to fill the diversity quota. Girls in those quota based hiring are already equipped with enough resources to get them jobs in tech giants without any external help, girls in ignou or not having formal degrees but great hands on experiences are severely neglected.

Anyways I know there's a big chance your post will be deleted or shadowbanned, most likely mine too so good luck with that. I just hope this messages reaches you and you move on past this problem.

thu2111• 6 years ago

Look at it this way. Yes, it's depressing. But when these companies got big and great, they weren't using these policies. I know, I was there in the early years and saw how it changed over time.

These practices are ultimately the undoing of these firms. Not now, not next year, but the future is moving away from them. The decadence that allows them to rationalise picking employees based on what they look like is killing their ability to innovate and tearing them apart internally.

I know so many experienced Googlers that leaked out of the organisation over the past 5-6 years or so, many of them citing this sort of decline. Why take risks or go the extra mile when you'll automatically lose to a woman who does nothing beyond simply turning up?

The flip side of this is that momentum is shifting towards a new generation of company. This sort of thing takes a long time, but the reason Google/FB/etc buy so many startups is they know that's where the real risks are taken, where the real work gets done. They can't produce what they need internally anymore. That's your opportunity. Instead of looking from the outside through the window and wishing you were part of a culture that doesn't exist anymore, look outwards, towards what you can build yourself. Then sell what you made back to them. Or don't. Your choice.

ab_testing• 6 years ago

Since you are from India, you already know that 40% of the kids in your class are there due to their caste, 20% are there due to the state of their domicile.

You gotta get used to this in life. You get very few things due to merit. Mostly it is due to who you are or whom you know.

You can try and come to US for masters etc but then again don’t be surprised when a lot of companies will pass you over for needing H1. You will get your H1 eventually but then don’t be surprised when you stay on H1 for life while your roommates from Sri Lanka and Nepal will become green card holders and citizens while you and your company’s lawyers will be answering RFE’s for life.

This is life. It is never fair. You gotta take it in stride and try to do the best you can.

namanaggarwal• 6 years ago

Why is this flagged

xiphias22• 6 years ago

The topic is controversial, dang wrote many times about it in his comments.

Sexism in the name of diversity by Google and other Tech Giants

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