The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/american-boogaloo-meme-or-terrorist-movement/613843/

by ForHackernews • 6 years ago

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m0zg2• 6 years ago

Rarely do you see a "writer" so far detached from reality. Recommended read, just to see what that looks like.

skrebbel2• 6 years ago

Care to elaborate? This is the first time I hear about the "boogaloo" thing

davidlumley• 6 years ago

Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

hprotagonist• 6 years ago

I keep thinking of Maniac Magee and reading it as a child and thinking then that Jerry Spinelli was describing ancient history that we’d never see again.

stickfigure• 6 years ago

This article, written from the perspective of someone who clearly "gets up close" with that particular scene, is far more interesting:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

TL;DR: It's about as coherent as you would imagine for something that self-organized on 4chan.

pmoriarty• 6 years ago

Also see:

The Meme-Fueled Rise of a Dangerous, Far-Right Militia[1] and The Boogaloo Tipping Point[2].

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/boogaloo-movement-protests

[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/ameri...

ForHackernews• 6 years ago

and The Boogaloo Tipping Point[2].
[2] - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/ameri....

Literally the article you're commenting on. :)

drewcon• 6 years ago

It’s really unfortunate to see such an unchallenged application of the label “libertarian” here. Put aside your own feelings for a moment.

Highlighting any connection between libertarianism with the alt-right, white supremacy, or anti-government militias seems as disingenuous as the superficial connection between atheism and fascist communism.

In either case, does the ideology overlap in convenient areas (to the negative ideologies), yes, probably. It’s easier to command absolute fealty of the state without god in the way. It’s easier to preach radical, violent white supremacist anarcho-capitalism with the state out of the picture. But does libertarianism espouse, promote, or a natural evolution that ends in The Boogaloo? Absolutely not, and it’s ridiculous for a journalist not to ask and answer those questions.

someguydave• 6 years ago

It’s the same rhetorical trick that allows folks in all-Democrat city and state governments to blame Republicans for all the problems.

stonogo• 6 years ago

Not all of them are racists, but all of them are libertarians. The writer doesn't do a good job of clarifying that, but it's not like applying the label is inaccurate.

flywheel• 6 years ago

I've run into far too many aggressively toxic, self proclaimed "libertarians" on the internet. So when the article mentioned "libertarian" in the context of the "boogaloo" idiots, it didn't surprise me at all. Libertarianism has changed a bit with the times, as have Democrats and Republicans. All kinds of bad ideas have crept in, after fermenting on the internet.

h2odragon• 6 years ago

Boogaloo Bois and Nazi Bronies; clearly the people at the Atlantic are besieged by right wing terror recently. I'm personally waiting for the ranks of marching Nazi's with rainbow uniforms and strap on unicorn horns, haven't seen any yet but thanks to the vigilance of modern media I know to listen for the menacing "clop" of approaching hoof boots.

RickyInHell2• 6 years ago

The Boogaloo movement is not a terrorist movement, we wish to accomplish the movements goals as peacefully as possible but we also don't want the nations standard to be a "War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength." because that is where this nation seems to be headed and if our second amendment rights are gone than if a government even more tyrannical than the present administration takes power we will have nothing to defend ourselves with.

RickyInHell2• 6 years ago

and also i think that this idea that the boogaloo movement is some how bad comes from CONINTELPRO or some modern equal to it

The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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