Group of homeless moms and families are taking over a house – this time in L.A

https://www.latimes.com/homeless-housing/story/2020-03-14/homeless-moms-occupy-house-los-angeles-caltrans-coronavirus-pandemic

by ericdanielski • 6 years ago

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whb072• 6 years ago

"<thing> is a human right" == "please spend time, money, and effort so as I can have it without paying, sucker"

Now replace it with housing, healthcare, and any other thing du jour.

esarbe17• 6 years ago

As a society, the moment that you allow for private property, you take over responsibility for the livelihood of everyone.

Property is theft on the common good. If you steal from the common good, you have to deal with the consequences. If you deprive people from making their own living, you have to accept that these people will find ways and means.

You didn't build that.

jaldhar9• 6 years ago

As a society, the moment you allow for freedom of Religion, you take over responsibility for everyone’s practice of religion.

As a society, the moment you allow the right to bear arms, you are responsible for providing everyone who wants one with a gun.

The “commons” are waste land until they are improved by human effort. (I’m assuming you are not a nomadic hunter/gatherer.). That is the ultimate basis for property rights. It’s true I didn’t build that but neither did those homeless moms. What they are doing is theft.

eeZah7Ux• 6 years ago

Spot on!

whb072• 6 years ago

You sound like someone who isn’t aware of the wonderful events where tens of millions of people suffered and died of starvation and political prosecution where such schemes were plentiful.

Perhaps living in the USSR was indeed the golden years for you?

foxyv• 6 years ago

"Property is theft on the common good."

Who are you? George Orwell?

extro3• 6 years ago

This is basically theft. I bought a home in my home country and still working in foreign land to pay for it, so the home stands there empty, but i would kill if somebody would just "occupy" it while i am landlocked in a different country because corona.

esarbe17• 6 years ago

This is wrong on so many levels.

First; no, it's not basically theft. Theft is when you take away something without permission. They are not taking away the house, they are using it. So, it's basically not theft.

Second; this is a vacant house, it's not currently used. By not renting out houses to an affordable prices, the landlords are creating artificial scarcity. Desperate people make desperate choices, if you don't offer them any other options.

So I'm all good with that.

extro3• 6 years ago

It is illegal use then, what will envolve to theft as soon as they decide to stay indefinitely, what they actually already did, and will realised as somebody try to push them out with or without police force. I don't care if it state or private owned property is: "occupying" homes is theft in my eyes, as it fundamentally shaking the work and merrit based society.

jaldhar9• 6 years ago

They are taking away the ability to use the house. They have not received permission to do so. This is theft.

And of course you’re good with that because you’re a communist and communism is an extended apology for organized crime.

What is “an affordable price”? Who determines this? You? The attraction of communism is that every communist thinks they are the one philosopher-prince who will arrange everything just right yet it never works that way.

I submit to you the free market as dumb and blind and imperfectly realized as it is, is the best embodiment of what “society” actually wants. It is ironically, the closest we’ll get to the ideals of communism.

EDIT: I guess I can’t reply to @esarbe because this comment has been downvoted but for the record, I described @esarbe’ ideas as communism because that’s what they are. Yes communism is objectively evil. It has been responsible for the deaths of millions and the misery of millions more. The free market isn’t perfect — no political philosophy is — but comparatively it is light years ahead of its rivals.

downerending• 6 years ago

Please tell us where your car is parked--I'm sure that you're frequently not using it.

I do think we as a society should ensure that all can be housed. But random squatting is not the answer.

(Also, for those who have never dealt with it, squatters tend to be intensely destructive of property.)

r_luna• 6 years ago

I don't think anyone on this thread read the article. They are taking over houses bought for the 710 extension that will never be built. I say, if moving into a house helps keep it nice, let them. This sounds cheaper than housing subsidies the county pays. Furthermore, if the kids are being taken care of that's a good thing. Those kids are less likely to grow up and rob and end up in prison @50k per year in cost to the taxpayer.

Group of homeless moms and families are taking over a house – this time in L.A

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