Ask HN: Is current deep learning related to conscious or sub conscious mind?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19256791

by formatkaka • 7 years ago

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I am not much into AI, but looking at what people predict about AI. That it will take over the world etc.

Is it really possible to do it without implementing sub-conscious?

Considering that we ourselves don't understand a lot about that part of the brain, it seems foolish to believe that machines will take over?

What do you guys think?

PaulHoule• 7 years ago

Freud's idea of the unconscious mind starts with the reality that you are not aware of most of the information processing that goes on in your mind.

This is manifestly true.

You can't tell me how you regulate your breathing, how you walk, how you recognize images, understand language, etc. All of that is unconscious, at least most of the time.

Deep networks are good at many things that are hard to put into words so they are all about the unconscious. In fact, consciousness has something to do with the self-image, ego, etc. and that is entirely lacking in deep networks.

formatkaka• 7 years ago

Actually, according to some of the greatest people who have practiced meditation (like gautam buddha), consciousness is a manifestation of your subconscious. It originates there!

raj_migz• 7 years ago

Mostly DL today is data based which relates to our one time experiences and henceforth learning via them then taking actions through memory which I believe is close to the sub-conscious state, On the other hand I believe, reinforcemnt learning is relatble to consciousness whose actions are dependent on the environment/surroundings. But to be true, dl is not at all near to these states of mind yet because its nothing but mere mathematical intelligence. Consciousness and sub-consciousness are really complex right now to be achieved via DL alone. Research is still going on to find out other mathematical models to make systems intelligent. But, I feel these states could never be achieved as the human brain is governed by the Law of Attraction of its conscious, sub-conscious and unconscious mind wheras as AI today revolves around mathematical formulations only. As an example, human brain involves interactions among various networks itself to find out an answer to a situation whereas AI today via BP tries to solve a single problem via a single network. Interactions among various types of networks is something that needs to be looked upon in future. To add on even with these implementations in the system what would merely be possible is intelligence and not creativity which is the pearl of the human brain. With intelligence all the mundane jobs of the world could be automated but human creativity will be the supereme power then. There is no need to worry though if that happens because that will surely help human brains to adapt to the surroundings thereby focusing more upon the innate power of creativity. The future is only bright with AI becoming a helping hand for our intelligent parts of the brain. Its just like the inventions of the machines that the supereme power of the past i.e. mechanical strength was eliminated to be replaced by the advent of intelligence and same will be the case when intelligence is automated.

Ask HN: Is current deep learning related to conscious or sub conscious mind?

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