It’s eating fat that makes you fat, new mouse study suggests

https://theconversation.com/its-eating-fat-that-makes-you-fat-new-mouse-study-suggests-101629

by YeGoblynQueenne • 8 years ago

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Filligree• 8 years ago

...going against recent studies, and backing the otherwise-disproven science of the fifties.

I quit. Don't make me look at these articles unless there's at least an N>10 meta-study.

GuiA• 8 years ago

“Eat whole fresh food, not too much, mostly plants.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t...

Flozzin• 8 years ago

It's rather ridiculous overall. The more 'studies' I read, the less I take them seriously. If you don't like the result of any study, wait 2 years and you will have a handful of studies disproving them. It seems like every few years we bounce back and forth between if alcohol and coffee are good or bad for you.

I'm not sure if these issues are with the methodology in the studies, special interests wanting certain results, or just poor execution. But it seems out of hand.

Small off topic rant. If we want the masses to believe the results from sciences, then we need to be consistent. I'm not advocating lying in order to do this. The results from the studies need to be reproducible and accurate. How can we convince people that something like climate change is happening and real, when the earth is a massively complex system, when we can't even go 2 months without flipping dietary results from sugar is ok, to sugar is bad, back to sugar is ok. Or the other example would be the no amount of alcohol is good for you, when for years the common result from studies was 1 or 2 drinks was a benefit.

bhandziuk• 8 years ago

nutrition is especially hard though. I doubt any study which suggests that one changed input has this direct output. There's so much more than just ratio of macronutrients. Total calories, when during the day you're eating them, lifestyle, exercise habits. Obviously you can get away with eating a lot worse and not get fat if you are expending all those calories.

SketchySeaBeast2• 8 years ago

The problem isn't this study, it's the reporting. We were initially taught that science IS truth, so every new study that was irresponsibly disseminated was believed. Now we've become so jaded by all these studies that we believe none of them (unless it follows our own prejudices). And unfortunately the news is built on trying to make things interesting - reporting the current scientific consensus just isn't news worthy. "This just in: Earth still flat." is much less interesting than "Watch this Californian kook launch himself into Space to prove the Earth is flat." or "Drinking straws - are they inseminating dolphins with reptilian DNA?"

YeGoblynQueenne• 8 years ago

> ...going against recent studies, and backing the otherwise-disproven science of the fifties.

A handful of studies that find different results to a majority of studies to date do not "disprove" the majority results. Not even if that handful of studies is more recent. Especially if those more recent studies are few among many, also recent, that confirm the "science of the fifites".

I understand it's hard to know who to trust, like one of the responding comments says but here's a rule-of-thumb: don't listen to your gut, listen to the majority opinion of the experts.

... because "your gut" will typically be strongly biased towards discounting evidence you don't like (e.g. because it tells you not to eat the things you crave in large quntities).

neonate• 8 years ago

At least they put "mouse" in the title.

halfdan• 8 years ago

It's what makes mice fat. Can we stop pretending that things that work in mice have the exact same effect in humans?

lost_snake• 8 years ago

Meh; there are so many pathways to the creation of fat cells, or their precursors, (and this really explodes if you start considering some things to 'inevitably' lead to fat production based on lifestyle) from different food molecules.

Realistically, everyone who is overweight just needs to stop eating so much, and change what it is they eat.

Without anything else like manifest diabetes or heart disease or whatever, anyone who is packing too much weight can just limit their portions, reduce sugar intake, drink more water, and get 30 minutes of activity a day.

The greater your portion (calorie) limitation, sugar reduction, water intake, and activity, the more weight you will lose/faster you'll lose it.

Stuff like eating more veggies and fruit, and learning to cook and not eat processed bullshit is just icing on the cake.

sinatra• 8 years ago

I can’t keep up with whether it’s fat, sugar, carbs, or anything else that I need to avoid to lose weight. I’ll just try to eat food that’s not very processed / not very artificial and eat small portions. I’ll just try to very roughly count calories and keep track of the simple math of calories in vs calories out.

SketchySeaBeast2• 8 years ago

I’ll just try to very roughly count calories and keep track of the simple math of calories in vs calories out.

I had excellent results with this. No tricks, just count the calories (write down everything you eat) and stop when you hit your daily budget, whether it is a day full of ice cream or steak. Each time I weighed myself wasn't totally predictable as some weeks I'd lose very little and some weeks I'd lose more, but over the 6 months I made it a goal it was very effective.

teilo• 8 years ago

The vanguard of the 50s is going to keep at this until they are all dead. It doesn't matter how much counter-evidence is accumulated. They are invested in their fat hypothesis, and will not give up.

Meanwhile, aside from the growing volume of supporting studied, anyone who has tried a low-sugar high-fat diet knows that eating fat makes you want to eat less, and not more.

jstandard• 8 years ago

Were the authors of this recent study the same ones releasing results in the 50s?

From what I can tell is these are recent scientists conducting a study in Beijing with potentially disconfirming evidence of your claim.

wkdown• 8 years ago

We need to stop consuming these food "studies". Every day, fat/carbs/coffee/wine is good/bad/cancerous/prevents cancer in a "new study".

belltaco• 8 years ago

Interesting result:

With up to around 50%-60% fat in the diet, the mice ate more food and put on more weight. However, at higher levels of fat they gained less weight. A mouse eating 80% fat in its diet increased in weight by about the same amount as one eating 30% fat. We don’t know exactly why, only that on these super high-fat diets the mice consumed fewer calories and didn’t gain as much weight.

honr• 8 years ago

Please kindly cut the BS and use the link and title of the study. The magazine it's published in seems to be the second highest impact magazine of its field (sorry I haven't done research in cellular biology to know the magazine well). So, the study is probably reasonable. The click-baity artistic interpretation of the study is what tarnishes this and numerous other works.

"Dietary fat, but not protein or carbohydrate, regulates energy intake and causes adiposity in mice."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S155041311...

amriksohata• 8 years ago

Was this sponsored by the sugar industry and the likes of coke lol

It’s eating fat that makes you fat, new mouse study suggests

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