Simple brain exercise can boost IQ

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/dn13786-simple-brain-exercise-can-boost-iq.html

by alex_c • 18 years ago

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whacked_new11• 18 years ago

Man, this thing is literally what I have been working on since last week. Now it's mentioned in NS I have to rush like there's no tomorrow.

The n-back test is basically a short term memory task. It is has been found to be a strong indicator of fluid intelligence because it is determined by attention and ability to manipulate and perform comparisons on objects stored in the STM buffer. 2-back test is fairly easy without distractions; 3-back becomes very taxing for the untrained. And it can definitely be improved.

alex_c• 18 years ago

To be honest, my motivation for posting it here was to see how long until someone starts working on a site based on it.

I have to admit, negative 7 days is sooner than I expected :p

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

Actually I wrote my first n-back test close to two years ago, but for myself. The biggest reason why I wanted to make a web version is because of all these brain games popping up, made by people who don't know what they're talking about. This thing is for real.

I'm also working on subitization test variants, but that's much more familiar.

falsestprophet• 18 years ago

I started sketching the data structures and the user interface as soon as I saw it on reddit a few hours ago.

But, I'm pretty glad someone else is already working on it. I have finals this week.

gojomo• 18 years ago

Can't wait to try it! Get cracking! :)

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

Hey thanks, it's probably real easy for you to implement, but if you don't feel like writing your own, here's the one I was working on: http://cognitivefun.net/test/4

I submitted it here but it didn't last and I don't want to spam :)

cousin_it• 18 years ago

Tell us when you're done? And do you need help with coding?

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

Won't be "done" in a while, because it's part of a larger work in progress, but I should be able to show something soon. I just started learning ActionScript, but cogsci programs aren't hard to write... but who knows, I look forward to criticism, which I expect much.

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

As in my other reply, I'm not going to be quite "done" but a simple, working n-back test is here: http://cognitivefun.net/test/4

bstadil• 18 years ago

I guess you will announce your beta here on YC once you have something. Very interested.

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

A simple n-back variant is live as of this morning but my submission didn't last long... I'm replying to all the responses in this thread. Again, it's a simple implementation, but FYI, http://cognitivefun.net/test/4

mroman• 18 years ago

I look forward to trying it out!

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

Thanks, I submitted earlier today but it didn't make FP. See this thread if you're interested: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=179580

spydez• 18 years ago

What did you do to combat the effect of that "dull jobs numb the mind" study that was on here last week? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7358863.stm)

I don't think I could stay interested in your n-back test for a whole 20 minutes at a time...

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

Good point. I also don't think anybody would play brain games for very long at a time. But then, such apps are highly motivation-dependent. There is a thing about learning rate and conscious effort, which is a much more difficult problem.

r7000• 18 years ago

I want to log on now!

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

FYI (or, FY fun) I uploaded a simple n-back test here http://cognitivefun.net/test/4

Submitted to HN but it didn't last and I don't want to spam :)

Raphael• 18 years ago

I have a few questions.

Is the game grid-based or free form?

Is the image advanced on a timer or at the player's control? If it is a timer, does the interval ever change?

jcl• 18 years ago

FWIW, the researchers say they will be making an English version of their training software available for download here, eventually:

http://www.apn.psy.unibe.ch/lenya/apn/live/anwendung/braintw...

jkush• 18 years ago

If there's anything I learned from statistics, it's the sneakiness of the word "significant". What, exactly, is a significant boost? Two points? Ten?

nelud• 18 years ago

Can solving math problems boost IQ?

whacked_new11• 18 years ago

I thought of this question before, and I don't think so. I think a boosted IQ would precede boosted math problem solving ability, because it deals very much with abstractions and an efficient working memory: "suppose x = a, y = c, z = g, then if xyzabc123, qwerty." Each additional step puts increasing stress on the WM buffer since everything needs to be maintained simultaneously for I/O.

You can, however, improve your speed at solving well-defined math problems by practicing them a lot. I believe this would eventually utilize episodic memory (HD space) rather than WM, which uses a different mechanism. But the speed would probably not generalize to novel problems, which is what I think you're getting at.

brian_d_w• 18 years ago

there is a new iphone version on the app store. It's called IQ boost. The web site is http://tnxbai.com there is a link to the app store from there.

Simple brain exercise can boost IQ

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