Java: Free at Last

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by voodooranger • 9 years ago

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edzo2• 9 years ago

maybe Oracle is finally gonna dump java and send it to a flundation altogether like other former sun projects. It failed to capitalize java I think

needusername2• 9 years ago

Given the amount of money they are spending on Java SE and the way they are making decisions that seems unlikely.

tatersolid• 9 years ago

Or maybe, just maybe, Oracle finally realized Java has become a bloated piece of over-engineered enterprisey abandonware, the developer community has largely moved on, and it won't make them money going forward.

Java is in maintenance mode. So they open source Java (for real this time) so someone else will take maintenance costs off their hands, and they can still sell their app suites which use Java.

edzo2• 9 years ago

I could not have said it better bro

nimchimpsky• 9 years ago

Maintenance mode, that's ridiculous.

It's just had one of the biggest releases in years, with 8.

And 9 I understand it is going to be even bigger, with jigsaw - the goal being much smaller dependency.

The Dev community is thriving, growing in fact. The latest release has made lots of people think Java is actually pretty good.

The reference implementation is now the open jdk. So yadda yadda yadda with oracle.

lolive• 9 years ago

I second your comment about Java 8. Lambdas, streams and code in interfaces are extremely useful.

SAI_Peregrinus• 9 years ago

But it's not rapid release! If it's not releasing a new major version every two weeks it's clearly abandonware in maintenance mode! /s

hdi• 9 years ago

the developer community has largely moved on

How so? Moved on to what?

paulddraper• 9 years ago

Serverless quantum computing containers.

But you have to use the alpha beta double nightly for things to actually work.

pjmlp2• 9 years ago

So funny that I cannot stop laughing.

Enterprise customers use only two stacks when performance matters, Java or .NET, maybe with some additional C++ sauce, anything else are small contractors trying to get a piece of the pie from enterprise projects.

tluyben2• 9 years ago

What is your day job and for which company? Just curious as Java (and .NET) are everywhere I look so I wonder.

zaptheimpaler2• 9 years ago

Java is a language, not some of the enterprise `AbstractFactoryProxyBuilder` horrors written in it. Theres plenty of good things written in Java, and theres plenty of trash written in <trendy new language>.

Java the language is great - exceedingly well specified & documented, tested & optimized JVM platform, very simple & familiar with a lot of communal knowledge around it, great tooling around IDEs, runtime inspection that most languages can't match yet etc. Great might be a matter of taste, certainly not horrible and generally up to par with most other langs.

Extreme generalizations like "X is bad & evil!!!!!" aren't really useful lenses to view software through.

s4vi0r• 9 years ago

The JVM and tools + libraries built around it are great. Java itself is trash, IMO - I really don't see any reason you'd want to write Java instead of Kotlin. Saves you the hassle of boilerplate, introduces plenty missing features/improvements, runs on the JVM and on Android as well, and switching over is trivial.

peterashford2• 9 years ago

It's the lead language on the Tiobe index by a huge margin. Your comment is laughable FUD.

fulafel• 9 years ago

What does it mean to "make Java binaries available directly from OpenJDK"? If the licensing restriction used to be just for Oracle-built binaries, anyone could just use normal distro provided OpenJDK binaries for kiosks and appliances, right?

needusername2• 9 years ago

Yes, you could. But the distro has to build these binaries. The OpenJDK project offers no binaries, you can't download OpenJDK binaries from the OpenJDK website.

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