Internal Reactions to Googler's Manifesto Show Anti-Diversity Views Have Support

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywpamw/internal-reaction-to-google-employees-manifesto-show-anti-diversity-views-have-support

by madars • 9 years ago

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samueldavid• 9 years ago

Google is full of PC people, poor guy

bookmarkacc• 9 years ago

They seem to draw a line between men and women because of "biological differences".

I wonder what they think about affirmative action for men of different races.

dogruck• 9 years ago

One point of view: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

brighteyes• 9 years ago

To describe it as "anti-diversity" kind of proves the manifesto's point - that one political side controls the debate. Because the manifesto clearly states it is for diversity, including diversity of gender and race (and even suggests ways to try to improve things there).

It's fine to disagree with it - it has many flaws and inaccuracies, to be sure - but we can do that with honesty and fairness. Not just for the author's sake, but for our own.

vcjohnson• 9 years ago

it has many flaws and inaccuracies

Can you expound on these a bit? Seemed like most of the adverse responses were appeals to emotion rather than dealing with the statements and I'd like to hear a rational critique of the issues.

Latty• 9 years ago

It is entirely possible to claim to be for something while actively doing things that are negative for it. The author didn't get to decide if his manifesto is anti-diversity any more than the KKK get to decide if they are racist.

I haven't read the manifesto, so I'm not saying it is anti-diversity, but your post appears to assume they can't be lying or wrong about that.

jacobr• 9 years ago

His entire program might result in more discrimination and less diversity, but it's hardly a manifesto against diversity as such. A significant portion is concrete proposals to increase diversity.

Goladus• 9 years ago

I haven't read the manifesto

I have. The response labeling it "anti-diversity" is a pathetic and dishonest attempt to dismiss the entire thing. The "manifesto" is an honest attempt to start dialog, the shrill propaganda from the likes of Gizmodo and Recode are dishonest attempts to drown out that dialog with name-calling and rhetoric.

They can of course claim technical correctness by equivocating about what they mean by "diversity" but it's not like anyone reading that filth really cares about what words really mean. You could say it was "anti race and gender diversity for diversity's sake." You could say it was "anti race and gender diversity as religion." It's opposed to taking inequality of outcome as ipso facto evidence of discrimination.

johngalt• 9 years ago

The problem isn't what this person's views are. The problem is that you aren't allowed to have a nonconformist view. Precisely what diversity and tolerance are supposed to bring. "We have people from all backgrounds provided they parrot exactly the same view of the world!" Is hardly diversity.

Invariably whoever wrote this will be flogged, and the moral busybodies inside google will gain a little more influence as other people with non-conforming views duck their heads down a little lower.

nilidah• 9 years ago

The guy made some great points. A pragmatic, fresh look at diversity programs is a great idea and open discussion is what we need.

Vice, wried (and I'm sure The Verge will be on that list too) should be ashamed of themselves. The author is obviously pro-diversity, and all this does is prove the manifesto's point.

ouid• 9 years ago

The author of the manifesto declares conservative bias to be pragmatic, by its nature.

Pragmatism, insofar as it is in opposition to idealism, is the absence of a guiding philosophy. Anyone who puts themselves on one side of the liberal/conservative spectrum is an idealist.

This Mary Sue bullshit is unforgivable, and I could not read on.

throwaway72695• 9 years ago

I’m a closeted conservative in tech, hence the throwaway account. Some of what the manifesto said is overly broad or wrong headed, in particular at least from my perspective generalizing views held by conservatives on climate change and similar issues, but one thing in particular stood out:

The left and by extension Google do not tolerate diversity of viewpoint or worldview. Diversity of race or sex is viewed as critical but real diversity, that of the lens through which people view the world is to be stomped out with prejudice. If you don’t agree with the leftist secular view you are a bigot. If you are religious you must apologize for your bigotry and convince others it is only a social activity or something private that won’t affect how you behave or what you believe in other spheres.

As a conservative orthodox Catholic and a devotee of Saint Josemariá Escrivá, I feel like I have to hide my faith and my views. If people understood that my devotion to doing my work as perfectly and as generously as I can is driven by my desire to serve God and mankind they would be shocked and disappointed. Even worse, my views on the existence of an absolute unchanging morality would be viewed as bigotry even though I don’t advocate discrimination and am willing to happily work beside those who believe and practice differently. It is not enough that we work side by side and treat each other with respect, I must believe and accept leftist dogma in my heart or I am a bigot and I am unfit to write code, work with others, or function in a management role.

From my perspective the exclusion, demonization and intolerance from the left for those who dare to merely believe and live their own lives differently is terrifying. I don’t know how we come back from the current state of things to a liberal, open society where diversity of belief and viewpoint is prized.

Internal Reactions to Googler's Manifesto Show Anti-Diversity Views Have Support

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