The Only Woman on Snap's Board Makes Significantly Less Than the Men

http://fortune.com/2017/02/04/snapchat-ipo-woman-board-joanna-coles/

by sethbannon • 9 years ago

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sasper• 9 years ago

Since when did Fortune put out such clickbait headlines? The article does not talk about what Joanna Coles' role at Snap is, how much involvement she has in day-to-day or strategic long-term planning, or numerous other factors that would determine a salary and stock-option grants. All it does is say that she makes less than someone else.

The headline should be "One person makes less than other people". Unfortunately, that wouldn't get any clicks or reinforce the simplified narrative that women make less than men.

gizmo11• 9 years ago

Women do in fact make less than men. This isn't just a narrative, it's observable reality.

Unless you believe women in aggregate contribute less to society and therefore ought to make less than men do, the wage gap is a real problem that needs fixing.

jimmywanger5• 9 years ago

Women do in fact make less than men.

This argument has been rehashed to death. There are multiple studies, all adjusting for different variables.

The original comment's point is fair, in that the headline is clickbait, in that it associates this particular person's lesser pay with her gender, by singling it out.

It'd be equivalent to saying "only woman in company of 10 makes less than everybody else" without mentioning her level of experience or duties.

gozur884• 9 years ago

Yes, women, in aggregate, earn less money than men. The reasons are well documented and boil down to "women make choices that end up costing them income potential".

throwaway28833• 9 years ago

Women do in fact make less than men.

If they do then why don't employers hire women only since it's cheaper?

Here, have some reading material:

https://www.wsj.com/article_email/the-wage-gap-myth-that-won...

http://time.com/3222543/wage-pay-gap-myth-feminism/

Also, check out Factual Feminist on youtube.

unpopulartruth• 9 years ago

A lot of companies get pressured to have a diverse board, which means that the women and minorities on the board might not be expected to do anything besides being diverse. So it makes sense that Snap doesn't have to pay them as much.

jimmywanger5• 9 years ago

So unless you believe women are worth less than men the wage gap is a problem.

You really don't understand logic do you? Do you think that everybody should be paid equally? People who contribute less will get paid less and that's not a problem.

Women, who biologically generally have to take time off work for childbirth, do not contribute to the company during that time. In that case the woman is worth less to the company and should get paid less.

Not quite sure if you're trolling here, since this is a simple and abundantly clear point.

gizmo11• 9 years ago

Do you think that everybody should be paid equally?

I believe men and women in aggregate should get paid equally. I'm not trolling, I actually believe this.

Regarding childbirth: since earnings are determined by politics, biology has nothing to do with it.

It's pretty clear by now you believe that women in aggregate contribute less to society (paid + unpaid work) and therefore ought to get less money. That's why you don't have a problem with the wage gap. It's not an uncommon view, but plainly sexist.

jimmywanger5• 9 years ago

but plainly sexist.

I don't see how it's sexist at all, but your insinuations are cheap rhetorical tricks used to advance and indefensible position, unless you mean sexist in a way that's morally neutral. For instance, men on aggregate have more upper body strength than women. Is that sexist?

It's pretty clear by now you believe that women in aggregate contribute less to society (paid + unpaid work)

Do not put words into my mouth. I believe that women, due to a combination of factors, such as cultural and biological factors, go into professions that don't get paid as well and don't advance quite as far into those professions.

They may contribute to society equally, but society doesn't write paychecks. Companies do. If you're not contributing to the company, they don't pay you.

sokoloff3• 9 years ago

I believe men and women in aggregate should get paid equally. I'm not trolling, I actually believe this.

Regardless of any other condition? Suppose 10% more men than women were working in any given year. Should the men in aggregate be paid the same as the women? What if 10% more women than men were working?

What if women on average worked 2 fewer years in their total career. Should the aggregates still be equal?

What if women on average had more education (or less education), or worked riskier (or less risky) jobs? I don't start with a premise that men and women should be paid the same in aggregate, unless you add additional qualifiers.

Men and women performing the same work, with the same skills and experience should on average be paid the same. Note "on average" rather than "in aggregate".

I have no problem with oil rig workers being paid more than food servers or nurses being paid more than valet parking attendants. I have no problem with career office workers being paid more than stay at home parents. Nothing in this paragraph is gender-specific; it's a function of the job and the value that job has to the employer.

dang• 9 years ago

You really don't understand logic

Personal attacks are not allowed on HN. You've been uncivil in other comments as well. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly, so please stop.

While I have you... please don't engage in rehashed gender flamewars either. They're tedious, and this isn't the first time we've had to ask you.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13586154 and marked it off-topic.

The Only Woman on Snap's Board Makes Significantly Less Than the Men

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