SproutCore: Introducing GreenHouse

http://blog.sproutcore.com/post/535950751/introducing-greenhouse

by joegaudet • 16 years ago

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bensummers2• 16 years ago

There's so much cool stuff coming out for building web apps. If you started your project more than a month ago, it seems to mean that you're using old, outdated stuff which is going to make you less productive.

I console myself by realising that the lack of extra abstractions makes my application faster and lighter.

Seriously though, how does one take advantage of new stuff without rewriting too much or ending up with an inconsistent and messy codebase?

etgryphon• 16 years ago

I think you will have a tough time building something that is faster than SproutCore. Its built for speed and cloud computing. We are working with ~7 million object and getting it to work great.

devinus4• 16 years ago

^-Author of Greenhouse, why the downvotes? I think he knows what he's talking about.

bensummers2• 16 years ago

The serious part of my comment was the last paragraph.

But it's certainly an interesting question: When should you adopt the latest and greatest for an existing project?

swannodette2• 16 years ago

Seems like this is going to be the best way to build a certain class of polished apps w/o bothering with the app store. I was impressed that an app deployed this way can present custom launch images as well as present content in such way that the user cannot access the browser address bar.

With Mobile Safari support for HTML5 storage and HTML5 workers this is capable stuff.

boucher2• 16 years ago

MobileSafari doesn't support web workers.

swannodette2• 16 years ago

yet ;)

seiji• 16 years ago

For more Mobile Safari features, check out the docs:

Offline applications and local storage: http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/documentation/iPho...

HTML5 geolocation: http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/documentation/Appl...

Specifying icons and startup images while hiding chrome: http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/documentation/Appl...

samd2• 16 years ago

"Some will even charge you for their beta releases."

I love the SproutCore versus Cappuccino battle. Two frameworks enter, one framework leaves.

boucher2• 16 years ago

Not really sure what that means. I don't think there has to be one winner, and we're glad to have more people in the market trying to realize our goal of desktop class web apps.

But let's not kid ourselves. Cappuccino has two interface builders, Atlas and nib2cib+IB. Both of these have been used to ship commercial software. nib2cib is completely free and open source, it's been out about as long as Cappuccino has, and it runs together with Interface Builder, the best in breed tool for designing interfaces for the last 20 years.

Greenhouse isn't even playing in the same game at this point.

ynniv2• 16 years ago

I think he means that competition is good. It's been an exciting couple of years for JavaScript.

devinus4• 16 years ago

I've already chosen which side of the fence I'm on, so with my bias in mind I'd like to say that I evaluated Cappuccino and nib2cib+IB before I settled with SproutCore. IB is the best of breed tool for creating interfaces, but the fact is nib2cib is nowhere near complete and many widgets failed to translate correctly or at all. I eventually gave up on it.

jeff18• 16 years ago

Why not ship a self-contained demo where all you have to do is double click it to try it out, like Atlas?

I have to admit I am having some trouble installing this and setting up a sample project.

oomkiller• 16 years ago

Seems half baked at the moment, but so did Atlas and nib2cib when they came out. I definitely prefer Sproutcore to Cappuccino and Objective-J. In my opinion Javascript is an excellent language for web development, where Objective-C (in Javascript form) is not. I really hope they pour a lot more work into this to make it great, as I'd really like to use it on an upcoming project!

Good work so far!

DanielRibeiro• 16 years ago

I feel it is kinda sad that only nowadays we are seeing all the work that was done on Destkop ui Frameworks emerge on Client Javascript. I wonder how many MVC server-side frameworks (or hybrid ones like GWt) would have been invented if such tools existed 10 years ago...

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