PHP Fat Free Framework aka F3

http://fatfree.sourceforge.net/

by saurabh • 16 years ago

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fatfree.sourceforge.net

jrockway• 16 years ago

Even with intense concentration, I wasn't able to read the text on the page. It's the lowest-contrast thing there; the YELLOW logo and "1.0" thing (and the social bookmark links) try very hard to pull your eyes away from the text... and they succeed. I am going to have nightmares about this site tonight, I swear.

Also, PHP really needs something like Plack/PSGI/Rack so that you don't have to manually reconfigure the web server for every library you want to use.

jeduan• 16 years ago

Agreed. It works ok with Readability http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/

olliesaunders4• 16 years ago

Did they fix this? I see white on dark grey.

tlrobinson2• 16 years ago

Also, PHP really needs something like Plack/PSGI/Rack so that you don't have to manually reconfigure the web server for every library you want to use.

The Apache configuration mentioned in this article is pretty generic.

PHP has a standard HTTP interface, unlike the other languages before WSGI/Rack/JSGI/PSGI came around. Of course, PHP's interface isn't function-based, so you don't have the advantages of stackable middleware.

A spec closer to the *SGI's would indeed be nice.

dhotson3• 16 years ago

Actually, it's funny you should mention that. I wrote a little web server in PHP that's basically a port of Ruby's Rack:

http://github.com/dhotson/kelpie

It actually works pretty well, no apache required! It's pretty fast too.. all the init stuff you normally have to do every single request can be done once on server startup.

I also wrote a little sinatra style framework to go on top of it: http://github.com/dhotson/kelpie/blob/master/demoapp.php

Anyway, it's turning out to be a pretty fun little project. :-)

pan69• 16 years ago

Reading through the 'Getting started', it's quite an interesting approach actually. I might give it a go some time.

olliesaunders4• 16 years ago

What's interesting about it?

armandososa2• 16 years ago

I've done something similar, inspired by sinatra: http://github.com/soska/microbus but I'm a poor self-promoter.

This is an interesting idea, but I like better my syntax though. But again, I'm not even a real programmer.

csytan• 16 years ago

   I'm a poor self-promoter.
   <snip> 
   But again, I'm not even a real programmer.

Modesty isn't very useful when promoting. Tell us why your framework is better!

armandososa2• 16 years ago

I don't actually think it is better, just different and works for me. Some other attempts try to make PHP act like ruby or python with ugly results. What I've tried to do here is embrace PHP 'classic' style.

  if (get('hello')){
    // do stuff
  }

soe2• 16 years ago

the license gpl v3 for base framework is pretty limiting ... it could be a show stopper... something like MIT or BSD would encourage people to try out...

regularfry3• 16 years ago

Really? I honestly didn't think it was a problem for web apps. What's the issue here?

soe2• 16 years ago

gpl v3 requires code (even hosted) to be shared upon request by users

with gpl v2, it was a requirement. hence gpl v2 licensed applications such as wordpress and drupal don't need to be shared with site users

code built upon the framework is derivation and thus, has to be licensed accordingly

bcosca• 16 years ago

it's not an issue, it's in the site:

"Any of the license terms and conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder."

rev087• 16 years ago

This is exactly what I intended for my "personal framework" when I began writing it's first version about three years ago: unintrusive (all main functions as static methods of a single class to keep the global namespace clean; no enforced directory structure) and lightweight (few files, few bytes).

Too bad mine grew to become a monster, pretty much like all other popular PHP frameworks out there. I guess simplicity really is one of the hardest features to implement.

thmz3• 16 years ago

Another framework based on MVC. But MVC is just not possible in PHP. Maybe with Ajax it is, but mostly it is a hype people don't understand. Let Apache (or any webserver) be the controller and you have the most lightweight framework there is.

bruceboughton• 16 years ago

In what way is it not possible? You can send all requests through a single handler with .htaccess can't you?

thmz3• 16 years ago

You can, but it will not update the view directly as MVC does. You always need to refresh the page for that. In Java or Flex (or with Ajax) the view is updated by the model. That is MVC. In PHP this is just not possible. So imho it is a hype word people don't understand. Most (PHP) frameworks that use 'MVC' are just more bloated than Apache + PHP (a single handler with .htaccess could be nice!).

olliesaunders4• 16 years ago

Allow him to justify himself before you down-vote him for saying something interesting.

alinajaf• 16 years ago

It looks like Sinatra for PHP.

PHP Fat Free Framework aka F3

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