Programming language development: the past 5 years (2011)

http://blog.fogus.me/2011/10/18/programming-language-development-the-past-5-years/

by alvin0 • 10 years ago

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virtuexru• 10 years ago

Interesting; I've never heard of most of those besides Go (& Perl of course). Is CoffeeScript considered a programming language? :O

codemonkeymike• 10 years ago

It may be because in the past 5 years from today most of these languages have seized development. It is still interesting to see which of the "New Hotness" languages of 2011 are still around and strong. Like Clojure and Go

stcredzero2• 10 years ago

Years ago, Rob Pike and Rich Hickey seized the development day. Their languages have not ceased development.

busterarm• 10 years ago

The site we're on is running on Arc.

Notice the mention of Dart and Rust as up-and-comers.

stcredzero2• 10 years ago

Rust seems to be going very good things. Are there tools for translating C++ to Rust? Maybe the translation of an old game engine could be used to bootstrap a Rust game engine?

DanWaterworth• 10 years ago

Is CoffeeScript considered a programming language? :O

No, technically it's a type of vegetable.

danso• 10 years ago

FWIW, the first submitter of this post seems to be Jeremy Ashkenas, who was the creator of CoffeeScript:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3128166

Even if you're being half-facetious...while CoffeeScript seems to have fallen in favor with the onset of ES6, it's hard to overstate its influence in 2011...Rails, which was most definitely the hott framework du jour, decided to make CoffeeScript -- along with the much more ubiquitous jQuery and SASS -- part of its default stack: http://www.rubyinside.com/rails-3-1-adopts-coffeescript-jque...

alvin0• 10 years ago

Is there a way to mark duplicates? I did a preliminary search for this topic via google before the post and this previous one hadn't turned up.

vvanders3• 10 years ago

Kinda sad to see the perpetuation of Go as a "systems-level" programming language. Services-level? Sure.

However, until I can manually control memory it's not going to be a low level language I want to use.

dikaiosune• 10 years ago

It's how Go was presenting itself in 2011, IIRC. Not so much anymore.

vvanders3• 10 years ago

Yeah, I see now that the title was updated to (2011).

pjmlp3• 10 years ago

It is as much system level as Oberon or Mesa/Cedar, both with proofs on how to write a full graphic Workstation with them.

As for Go, it is fully bootstraped in itself, including the whole runtime.

There are already some bare bones examples at OS Dev

http://wiki.osdev.org/Go_Bare_Bones

And there are people writing bare metal runtimes for the STM32F4 and STM32L1-Discovery boards.

https://sites.google.com/site/embeddedgo/home

For me that is a system level programming language.

vvanders3• 10 years ago

I can run Javascript on an Arduino does that make it a systems level programming language?

There's so many things missing from Go, from volatile semantics to memory control(good luck getting memory banks on PIC working).

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good fit.

tracker1• 10 years ago

I think the meaning was software systems and services, not Operating Systems... though it's always bugged me as well.

pjmlp3• 10 years ago

What features does Oberon have that Go lacks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_%28programming_language...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_%28operating_system%29

kovrik2• 10 years ago

I find Shen lang interesting, but never actually tried it. Can anyone explain few things?

1. Why explicitly call `prolog?` function? Why not make it implicit, so user could use, for example, `member` function (defined via `defprolog` notation) as a normal function?

2. Automatic partial application. I see that example was simplified, but then how it looks in reality? Because I find (* 2) returning `lambda`, instead of 2 confusing.

mej10• 10 years ago

In math ( * ) is a binary operation. ( * 2) returning 2 is confusing to everyone that hasn't gotten used to a non-standard way of thinking about * .

kovrik2• 10 years ago

In math ( * ) is a binary operation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_product

I am talking about Empty Product.

In all Lisps I know ( * ) returns 1, (* n) returns n. Which makes sense.

Shen's example is confusing for me.

thaumasiotes• 10 years ago

This would make nonsense out of exponents less than 2. Fortunately, they actually make perfect sense.

rurban• 10 years ago

Nowadays this list should include pony, wren, vio, Luna, nim, ...

kristianp• 10 years ago

Re: the Ometa language, a sequel that is hosted on Javascript is Ohm: https://github.com/cdglabs/ohm

swah• 10 years ago

I vividly remember being very excited and optimist about (web?) programming and our community when _why appeared with his posts about Ruby.

Its probably related to my age as well, but I haven't felt that way again for a long time now.

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