Ask HN: Tips for college graduates

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by picasso81 • 16 years ago

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I'm giving a keynote lecture at an upcoming student design conference, presenting two paths: entrepreneurship and a full time job. I've got the entrepreneur side covered - what are some tips you would give to seniors for finding a full time job?

vaksel• 16 years ago

Get an internship/job, w/o internship/work experience noone is going to hire you

pasbesoin• 16 years ago

Not regarding finding a full time job, but important: Investigate your health care insurance options, if you are in a governance that does not provide or guarantee coverage (e.g. U.S.). You may be able to continue on your parents' policy for some period of time. If not and you find you have to purchase a policy for yourself (and can afford to), it's better to purchase a policy while you are still covered (with a start date a day or two before your current coverage lapses). If nothing else, there are (or used to be) high deductible and/or temporary policies that at relatively low cost can provide some coverage against catastrophic events.

I don't know whether schools and career centers cover this topic much, but they should.

P.S. As I've commented before, it's not just about you. It's also a matter of protecting loved ones, who may feel compelled to spend their assets caring for you if something unfortunate and expensive happens to you. In that sense, even if you don't have money to pay the deductible amount yourself, a high deductible policy can make sense in that your family may be able to help you financially to that extent, while the insurance protects against the really big bills (and also, as others have noted here, negotiates lower charges for services so that you don't pay the ironic/perverse "highest possible costs" that the uninsured often face due to lack of negotiating power).

picasso812• 16 years ago

A valid point, and not something that is the front of a graduating senior's mind.

rantfoil• 16 years ago

I think the biggest problem most college grads who are applying for jobs face is that they don't really think about what employers need. Getting a job is the first real step into the "real world" where there aren't rote and well-trod paths to success. Many new grads treat applying for jobs as a kind of application process -- fill out my apps (resumes and cover letters) and then see what sticks. Why? Because _I_ need a job. Bzzt, wrong answer.

In contrast, the ideal candidate is passionate about whatever job they're going for. Make lists of companies that you would love to work at, and pursue them directly, whether there's a job listing open or not. Recruiters use LinkedIn to find candidates all the time... it is just as valuable for new grads just entering the workforce.

When pitching for startup funds, there's a saying: When you ask for money, you get advice. When you get advice, you get money. This applies to jobs too. People love talking about themselves and what they do. Luckily, if you're new, you stand to gain from that, and massively.

Finally, it pays to be prepared for interviews. I was just having dinner with a friend who's a producer at the biggest name game studio out there -- he was just complaining about how he'll ask if the candidate has played _____ game, and it'll be to the level of 'I tried the demo.' Trying the demo isn't good enough. Becoming a Level 32 Dwarf or thereabouts is probably what it takes, at least for this example.

Hiring managers, no matter what field, want to know that the person in front of them is a) smart, b) gets things done, and c) would love more than anything to work for them.

picasso812• 16 years ago

Yep, with interviews it's about the five P's - prior planning prevents poor performance. In the design world the interview process is heavily centered around your portfolio. So I recommend students show their portfolio to as many people as possible - teachers, advisors, friends, strangers - to (a) get their feedback and (b) learn the best way to talk about their work. Eventually you figure out the best talking points that people connect with.

The application process itself has to be methodical. I don't think in this climate you can shotgun your resume/portfolio out there and see who responds. Hiring managers have too many good people to choose from. The approaches need to be custom to the company/firm you're applying to, and memorable. Otherwise you'll never stand out. We got 1000+ resumes once for a job ad...and we're a small company. So many applications look the same - the unique and different ones caught our attention.

I like your three tips of what you need to communicate about yourself: a) smart, b) gets things done, and c) would love more than anything to work for them.

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