TempleOS V4.02 Released

Nice, I will give it a try. I've installed templeOS in a VM before and played around with it. I really like the concept of a graphical console, being able to literally put images right into source code and the C++ like shell that uses some kind of JIT compiler, it's different, and interesting.

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vinceguidry• 10 years ago

Things like this and Dwarf Fortress are just so amazing to me. What you can accomplish if you can devote an entire decade to doing just one thing...

It's something I want to try, say, in my sixties or so.

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voaie• 10 years ago

Then it will be very amazing if Dwarf Fortress runs in TempleOS. ;-)

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PeCaN2• 10 years ago

Say what you will about TempleOS, but HolyC is actually brilliant. The same language is used for the OS, programs, and shell, the entire OS is JIT-compiled (modify the source and reboot to make changes), and it's just generally a really different way of doing things. You can also put vector graphics in source code.

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fit2rule2• 10 years ago

I agree with you completely. The idea of a single language to rule the entire system is brilliant, and is something I wish others would consider putting their attention on - i.e. distro builders who compose a "Lua-only" stack, or a "Python-only" stack, and so on.. well, such things exist in Dockerland easily enough these days, but one wonder what it would be like if the 'modern desktop OSes' had this hit-one-key-and-access-code-anywhere mentality .. it has so much appeal over the current worm bucket o' mystery that is the modern OS 'distribution'/'package'/'bundle'/'module collection' ..

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emailgregn• 10 years ago

wasn't that the idea with OLPC Sugar [http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sugar]?

The whole desktop and apps in python and hackable.

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CyberDildonics• 10 years ago

It could even be C with something like the tiny c compiler. It can compile C at such ridiculous speeds it makes compile times practically irrelevant. I've never even been able to throw enough at it to know how fast it actually runs on a modern computer. SQLite and Lua both print a timing of 0.001 seconds (and that is both compiling and linking I think).

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Samis2001• 10 years ago

Smalltalk-80 and the resulting modern implementations of it follow this idea. Typically, the IDE/development tools come with the runtime environment and these allow the browse the system's code as well as inspect existing instances of object. There's also a primitive form of a built-in VCS allowing the viewing of earlier method versions and reverting to them. Finally, the underlying VM is written in a mixture of C and either Smalltalk or something resembling it.

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zanny• 10 years ago

This is what makes http://www.redox-os.org/ an interesting project. Full stack Rust OS, which is probably the most advanced language you can use right now that can also bootstrap itself from ASM.

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omaranto• 10 years ago

Emacs has what you called the hit-one-key-and-access-code-anywhere mentality, and I think part of the reason Emacs users tend to use it for much more than just editing text is exactly the appeal of an OS with that mentality.

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agumonkey• 10 years ago

Talking about JITed OSes, that 92 thesis http://valerieaurora.org/synthesis/SynthesisOS/ is still a fun read.

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edraferi• 10 years ago

MirageOS does something similar with Ocaml. It uses this feature to compile Unikernals that run directly on Xen.

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noir_lord• 10 years ago

It looks (at a quick glance) similar to an Oberon system.

I'm still really tempted by one of these http://oberonstation.x10.mx/

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PeCaN2• 10 years ago

Yes! TempleOS seems a lot like a quirkier Oberon System actually—though sadly I've never used Oberon.

Man OberonStation looks tempting.

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sitkack• 10 years ago

This is excellent! Thanks Terry.

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rwl4• 10 years ago

I feel like TempleOS has a lot of parallels to Dr Bronner's Soap. That's the only soap I use as bodywash in the shower. ;-)

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johnhattan• 10 years ago

This rather reminds me of the "Coral Castle" in Florida. Basically one guy went nuts after getting dumped by his girlfriend, so he built a fortress-sized structure out of blocks of limestone (not actually coral). It's quite a goofy little tourist attraction now.

If only all people who lost their minds could devote all their time to a harmless quest that doesn't hurt anybody.

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choosername2• 10 years ago

Well an artist might argue that the art is, vice versa, driving the craze, too.

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bliti• 10 years ago

Mr. Davis,

The link posted mentions the OS being developed to provide a similar programming experience as the c64. Are there any learning resources available like there are for the c64? Thank you!

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desireco42• 10 years ago

I think he actually got to something really important here: "The vision for TempleOS, however, is a modern, 64-bit Commodore 64"

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emcrazyone• 10 years ago

As someone who grew up with a C64 and programmed them, I can totally appreciate this. The C64 had ROM basic at the same address as part of the physical RAM.

I developed software called CNet BBS back in the day, and the software, written in assembly, would constantly switch the basic ROM interpreter in and out to simulate a multi-tasking environment allowing basic programs to run along side a mini OS.

I absolutely love the sound of his keyboard!

I wonder if TempleOS could find practical applications in the embedded world as an RTOS.

I currently am working with Jacinto J6 processors which are multi-processor devices. They have two ARM A15 cores and 4 ARM M4 cores (called IPUs). My work involves running Linux & Android on the A15 cores while bringing up a hardware monitor on the M4 cores. I looked at several possibilities such as uCLinux, FreeRTOS, and a commercial product called uVelOCity by Green Hills.

Something like TempleOS might feed this need for what appears to be a market of CPUs needing a small RTOS running along side another OS.

For the interested, there is also this project: https://gdmissionsystems.com/7-31-2014-sel4-microkernal-open...

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breakingcups• 10 years ago

Are these two statements not contradictory?

"I capped the line-of-code count at 100,000 and God said it must be perfect, so it will never be an ugly monstrocity. It is currently 80,590 lines of unblemished code. Backward compatibility is not promised."

"I wrote all 119,580 lines of TempleOS over the last 12.5 years, full-time, including the 64-bit compiler."

Or is the compiler excluded from that line count?

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TempleOS V4.02 Released

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