VISC: Virtual Instruction Set Computing

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/video/dl.aspx?id=249344

by ingve • 11 years ago

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LForLambda• 11 years ago

Apple already requires submission of llvm bitcode, if Microsoft adopts this then it may become a thing.

Oh god no.

i336_3• 11 years ago

I don't recall the details but I understand M$ opened .NET because they're going to have a cloud-based ".NET IL in, optimized C(/C++?) out" service for Windows (desktop, tablet, phone, XBOne), while everyone else is stuck with running the .NET runtime bytecode interpreter. It's a remarkably well-thought-through plan; .NET has proven itself as a reasonably snappy platform, so Linux/FreeBSD/OS X won't feel too left out.

So yeah, pretty much exactly what you described.

krylon• 11 years ago

Well, the .Net runtime, including their current JIT compiler, is open source now, so nothing keeps people from improving the JIT compiler or replacing it with a static IL->binary compiler.

IIRC correctly, GCC could compile Java to machine code a couple of years back. This obviously required one to a) have the source and b) give up on cross-platform portability, and I don't know how well the compiled code performed in comparison to bytecode running on, say, HotSpot, but the option was there. In other words, it has been done before.

As much as I like to distrust Microsoft, if they can implement a static compilation scheme for .Net that provides better performance than what the open source community can come up with, and then offering it for Windows only, that may not be super-nice of them, but it certainly is not evil, either.

i336_3• 11 years ago

I've been staring at this for a good 15 minutes, and I can't find the video URL. I have nothing currently running Windows.

You gotta take a look at the HTML for this page. It definitely looks like an academic research group built it. ><

loginusername• 11 years ago

Don't need Windows to download the video.

Not sure about playback.

It's 742MB ".asf" file. ffmpeg, ffplay, mplayer, ...?

http://msrvideo.vo.msecnd.net/rmcvideos/249344/249344.asf

i336_3• 11 years ago

Oh, thanks very much!

I'm guessing you got that out of the Network panel? Chrome on Linux just shows an empty video URL field in the source code, and I couldn't figure out the magic code path that filled in in. :P

sliekasbekelniu• 11 years ago

From the headline I thought it would be related to Variable Instruction Set Computing (VISC) architeture [0], but sadly it's not.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8502256

h0l0cube• 11 years ago

Frustrating to watch as the audience asks the same question over and over and the speaker doesn't provide a satisfying answer. Of course you can run analysis at compile-time, but if your executables are compromised (eg. virus, memory corruption, dodgy 3rd party software/drivers etc.) you can still guarantee your system won't be skittled. And also you get the speed benefit of not needing a hypervisor, and the security benefit of having a small attack surface area of trusted code. If the audience wasn't so self-righteous and listened, we might have got to see the automated debugging section.

VISC: Virtual Instruction Set Computing

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