Learning programming at scale

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by danso • 11 years ago

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danso2• 11 years ago

I just had a revelation while reading the OP (who describes a much more elaborate, fully-featured system)...yesterday I was teaching students (about 20) how to do calculations with Pivot Tables using Google Sheets and was struggling with the usual "well-can-you-describe-exactly-what-syntax-error-you-made" problems...and now realize that I could've just had students give me read/edit access to their sheets and I could've just cycled to their tab and corrected their problem for everyone to see on the projector.

I would love to have a code editing system that is as easy as that...I only have to deal with 20-or-so students at a time, so I don't need anything fancier than a way to manage 20-tabs at the same time. Having a way to jump to and collaborate on a student's session in the same way I can Cmt-T through a Sublime Text/Atom project would be all I needed.

grayclhn• 11 years ago

It's maybe not perfect, but can you have them working in a shared dropbox directory in class? (Or something equivalent.) Then just open or refresh the file...

IPython notebooks running on a central server is potentially another option for some languages.

edit: if you do find a working solution, please write it up and post it. I'd love to hear what works.

danso2• 11 years ago

Ah...that's pretty smart, too. It wouldn't be as slick of a collaborative environment, but at least I can grep the entire class folder in one go. I will seriously consider this!

KurtMueller• 11 years ago

I thought cloude ides like https://c9.io/ would allow to do just that. You'd be able to see/edit your student's code in real time.

digikata• 11 years ago

Access to the lab computers via screen sharing protocols might get you a general version of what you're describing.

jackmaney• 11 years ago

These things look neat, but wouldn't this be teaching programming at scale? The phrase "learning programming at scale" leads to the idea of someone trying to learn how to program who is also able to repeatedly enlarge the amount of stuff that s/he is able to learn at once. That's...not really what's going on here.

ljk• 11 years ago

Also, doesn't this only work with intro materials that only have a few lines? How's this way of teaching programming going to work if the program is hundreds of lines long, across multiple files, or have more than one correct solution? The debugging time alone would go up very quickly

omouse• 11 years ago

Right and that's why there's things like AirPair where the cost of tutoring goes up and is paid per minute due to the complexity. This scaling has a limit but it's the same as any other field; how many artists go on to be great artists after all?

bobochan4• 11 years ago

This is very timely. For the past few years I have been teaching a programming course to small groups of beginning students, generally no more than 15. The goal is teach them the basics over the course of a semester, and we usually get there. The only downside is that it takes me about 30 minutes to review each assignment (there are two a week) and write feedback to the student. With 15 hours of grading a week, it seems hard to imagine teaching much bigger sections.

I went to a small college, so my programming courses were typically about the same size, 10-20 students. How do larger sections work in terms of getting feedback from professors? It seems critical, especially early on, to be able to understand the way students are trying to solve problems and then give them guidance how to get there. That seems to require more than "yes/no your code passed the unit test."

cheepin• 11 years ago

Well, in my university's intro programming class, there were a couple hundred people. Grade-wise, the unit tests said it all. You didn't get personal feedback unless you asked for it. The test framework would email you the test cases and what your output was versus the expected, so a lot of times you could figure out your mistake (or bad assumption) without asking the professor.

The professor would have the grading details on the whole class so if we missed a lot of points on a particular problem, they would concentrate on that for a bit.

If you needed personalized feedback, you could ask the professor questions after class, at office hours, at the discussions section to your TA, or at the TA's office hours. There just wasn't personalized feedback based on your assignments.

xixixao• 11 years ago

At Imperial, 3rd and 4th years are Undergraduate Teaching Assistants (get paid a little for it) and mark the exercises every week for two trimesters. It's a great system, both for the 1st years and for the older students "teaching" (had been on both sides).

teach• 11 years ago

I'm a high school teacher, and I currently have 4 sections of an intro Java course with 28 students each. (And I also teach an additional 36 students in two sections of the follow-up course.)

Each student does 1-3 small programs per class day, and I grade them all by reading the code and making comments. (I'm grading in another tab as I write this; I have 91 files to mark before 2:15pm today which is the output of a single section for a single class day.)

I've written tools to help me evaluate and make comments on the files extremely quickly. So that's what I do.

spenrose• 11 years ago

Are you aware of softwarecarpentry.org ? Unlike OP, their curriculum is based on education research, and refined over more than a decade.

tsumnia3• 11 years ago

I teach Java and Python intro courses at two different colleges (both < 30 per class), and the way I've developed my courses are very unit test driven. The reason is when I hand graded, it would take easily hours to finish grading everything. Likewise, students would submit code they copy/pasted from the internet and wouldn't compile. After 5 minutes of debugging their code, it begins eating into my overall grading time. Likewise, what percentage should I give them on code that doesn't compile? Now, I say a flat "if it doesn't compile, the best you get is 20% for proper formatting".

In the first few weeks, I use JUnit and System Rules (I am currently build Python unit tests) to let them only work via the main method. Once we introduce methods, I show them how I call them via my tests.

I have also started implementing typing exercises into my weekly work, so students can get a feel before getting thrown to the wolves on the week's assignments. If I head to PyCon next year, I hope to present on whether it was successful or not.

I am looking to automate grading ala Open edX style submissions, as the biggest problem I have is not being able to give students a grade/notes until around Friday when I grade.

One trick I do is lecture all of Monday (2 hour class) and then let them work on their assignment for the week on Wednesday (3 hours). Most students don't realize how much time outside of class needs to be spent in the initial semesters of programming. I use that lab time to let them work and act as a helpful tool if they have questions. For example, this week, we'd gone over building Objects, but the idea of constructors are still shaky to some people. Today, when they were working on their labs, I spent some time with the 1-2 students that needed a little extra help understanding the work to get everything.

bobochan4• 11 years ago

Thanks to everyone for their excellent suggestions.

One of my reservations about going to an automated testing and grading approach is that the course evaluations consistently say that the personalized feedback is an important reason that they took the course. But the fact is that line by line analysis of every submission does not scale, and teaching X times as many sections means that compromises will have to be made.

I am not worried about the top and middle thirds of the students, they largely sail through on their own with pretty minimal guidance from me (it is an intro course and many of them have strong backgrounds). The bottom third of the class is new to programming though, so hopefully they will take more advantage of lab and office hour time to solicit help.

agadabanka• 11 years ago

excellent work! making students understand references/pointers has been my biggest challenge. dynamic visualizations definitely help.

biot• 11 years ago

I was anticipating this to be "Learning (Programming at Scale)" but it's instead "(Learning Programming) at Scale". A slightly different challenge. :)

manaskarekar• 11 years ago

As an aside, the author, Philip Guo has some good posts on his blog: http://www.pgbovine.net/writings.htm

Learning programming at scale

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